Perhaps we can look at his:
hand-to-hand abilities (benchmark with saber and berserker?)
Covert ops (benchmark with assasin?)
or what?
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Couldn't of said it any better myself.NonExistence wrote:to keep it simple, spawning craploads of swords almost instantaneously for usage, hence pwning his enemy by turning him/her into a pincushion.
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In any case since Archer and Gil are in the same class the only difference is thier Master's power. So with that being said it's kind of a difference in power between Rin and any of the other Masters during the war. Although she did let Shirou go since he was rather nice to her to the point where he fell for her.
This is only true if you take them both as having just been summoned. Otherwise there's a lot of weirdness in determining Gil's strength. Even then I'm still iffy, there are a hell of a lot of factors in determining strength in the Fate Nasuverse.Kid-Wolf wrote:In any case since Archer and Gil are in the same class the only difference is thier Master's power. So with that being said it's kind of a difference in power between Rin and any of the other Masters during the war.
Besides Gil and Saber, none of the other Servants could even scratch him.
It's said somewhere in the game I believe his strongest class is as archer. I'm pretty sure the hydra bow would be pretty bad ass.Ryougi07 wrote:Berserker isn't that strong, he's just getting boosted because of his class and Illya. Although I do wonder what his performance will be if he gets summoned into a different class.
I agree fully with that. So i said, what is archer's true strength? For example its melee combat, how would he compare with the potential of archer and berserker? That was what i meantsamasamon wrote:There is no the strongest servant. All servant got beat in all rout. If the strongest is the winner, then Shirou is the strongest. All servant not only have their own power, they also bind by plot created by writer.
Yeah, I remember that too from somewhere.Tsubasa wrote:It's said somewhere in the game I believe his strongest class is as archer. I'm pretty sure the hydra bow would be pretty bad ass.Ryougi07 wrote:Berserker isn't that strong, he's just getting boosted because of his class and Illya. Although I do wonder what his performance will be if he gets summoned into a different class.
they used the rock-sword thing to summon berserkereharper256 wrote:Yeah, I remember that too from somewhere.Tsubasa wrote:It's said somewhere in the game I believe his strongest class is as archer. I'm pretty sure the hydra bow would be pretty bad ass.Ryougi07 wrote:Berserker isn't that strong, he's just getting boosted because of his class and Illya. Although I do wonder what his performance will be if he gets summoned into a different class.
Maybe the 'Archer' that Rin summons for the version of Shirou that goes onto be Archer in that reality is him? (Since Nasu states that she summoned a different Archer there in a failed version of the Saber route) Though, no, wait, that would conflict with Ilya, so meh...
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What artifact does Ilya use to summon Beserker, anyway? Is it ever known? Or is it just a personality summon? I mean, thats pretty spooky if it is. The whole thing with Kariya summoning Beserker in Fate/Zero makes sense since he's suffering from a terrible sense of guilt and excruciating pain (much like Lancelot). I suppose Ilya is suffering the abandonment of her dad though...
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As for Emiya Archer, technically UBW is said to be stronger than Gate of Babylon since the swords automatically appear in his hands for use. They are still copies however, which theoretically reduces their ranks. I reckon that Hercules Beserker is probably the worst servant hence for Archer to fight, since only his strongest UBW stuff will likely penetrate God Hand. He just eventually runs dry of endurance. And he dies in HF protecting Tohsaka (from Darkcalibur, no less!)
truespathi wrote:they used the rock-sword thing to summon berserkereharper256 wrote:Yeah, I remember that too from somewhere.Tsubasa wrote: It's said somewhere in the game I believe his strongest class is as archer. I'm pretty sure the hydra bow would be pretty bad ass.
Maybe the 'Archer' that Rin summons for the version of Shirou that goes onto be Archer in that reality is him? (Since Nasu states that she summoned a different Archer there in a failed version of the Saber route) Though, no, wait, that would conflict with Ilya, so meh...
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What artifact does Ilya use to summon Beserker, anyway? Is it ever known? Or is it just a personality summon? I mean, thats pretty spooky if it is. The whole thing with Kariya summoning Beserker in Fate/Zero makes sense since he's suffering from a terrible sense of guilt and excruciating pain (much like Lancelot). I suppose Ilya is suffering the abandonment of her dad though...
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As for Emiya Archer, technically UBW is said to be stronger than Gate of Babylon since the swords automatically appear in his hands for use. They are still copies however, which theoretically reduces their ranks. I reckon that Hercules Beserker is probably the worst servant hence for Archer to fight, since only his strongest UBW stuff will likely penetrate God Hand. He just eventually runs dry of endurance. And he dies in HF protecting Tohsaka (from Darkcalibur, no less!)
archer managed to kill berserker 6 times without UBW and it wasn't darkcalibur which killed him
Oh, that was the catalyst? Hmm... well cheers for the answer.AlextheLazy wrote: they used the rock-sword thing to summon berserker
archer managed to kill berserker 6 times without UBW and it wasn't darkcalibur which killed him
true Sakura's shadow that killed him by S.Ding
on a sidenote Lancelot and Gil make quite a awesome team Knight of Honor + Gate of Babylon
Serpentarius wrote:He killed Berserker half a dozen times. Comparing him to Gilgamesh isn't that useful, since Archer's ability is perfectly suited to beating Gil's, and he never really gets into a straight fight on-screen, but his performance against Berserker indicates that when he's cut loose and doesn't have any other objectives to worry about, he's a beastly fighter. Even Ilya is shocked by how powerful he is.
Rikh wrote:Serpentarius wrote:He killed Berserker half a dozen times. Comparing him to Gilgamesh isn't that useful, since Archer's ability is perfectly suited to beating Gil's, and he never really gets into a straight fight on-screen, but his performance against Berserker indicates that when he's cut loose and doesn't have any other objectives to worry about, he's a beastly fighter. Even Ilya is shocked by how powerful he is.
Although in the game its unknown what really happened
Archer in the anime knew illya (and called her by her given nickname btw...)
He did kill berserker that many times, but i am sure you can debate if he could have killed him more times
also more confusion/paradoxes/GARm's► Show Spoilerwhich leads to the ultimate conclusion► Show Spoiler► Show Spoiler(
That doesn't seem very convincing. I don't remember if Acher ever mentioned any hint that he might know Ilya or not. I'd bet that we don't get any hint. My guess is that he did get owned in that fight and didn't let a fair amount of lives alone in order to let Shirou do his job. He is, after all, a servant, his purpose is to win the war along with his master; not letting anyone else do it, much less Shirou, whom he hated.Rikh wrote:► Show Spoiler
Well, yeah, she does eat Archer's soul in Fate route and HF, but I doubt that, at the time of death (or whatever it is with servants), the info the soul carries (personality, memories, etc.) is left. Wasn't it said somewhere that the soul of the servant is converted into energy or something like that?Rikh wrote:also more confusion/paradoxes/GARm's► Show Spoiler
Well.... I wouldn't say that nasu = lolis... that would be kind of... pertaining to a freak show, I'm afraid... At any rate, yes, Nasu seems to be way to fond of lolis... Just check all of his nasuverse's works, KnK got Azaka, Tsukihime got two Lens and Miyako, Fate got Ilya and he wanted to make Caster into a loli.... Caster into a loli! what's wrong with him!!!???zweiterversuch wrote:Rikh wrote:which leads to the ultimate conclusion► Show Spoiler(
THAT, MY FRIEND, IS A HUGE LIE!!!!
NASU DOESN'T HATE LOLIS!
*Ren* cough *white ren* cough *Akira seo* cough! *Loli Altrouge* Cough!!!
NASU AND LOLIS ARE ONE AND THE SAME!!!!!