Why do you think Archer is GAR?

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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Chaos Chaud » May 25th, 2009, 3:55 pm

Kikuchi wrote:TL; DR Archer is a KSer. Gil is far too honorable to do that. That's why he's beyond GAR.
But Archer killed someone Shirou was killing... that one doesn't count as ks...

Also, in UBW
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So Gil is the KSer here...
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Kid-Wolf » May 25th, 2009, 4:49 pm

Chaos Chaud wrote:
Kikuchi wrote:TL; DR Archer is a KSer. Gil is far too honorable to do that. That's why he's beyond GAR.
But Archer killed someone Shirou was killing... that one doesn't count as ks...

Also, in UBW
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So Gil is the KSer here...
Indeed Archer actually saved Shirou not once, but twice in the UBW story. Once in the middle of their fight when Gil decided to step in on the matter. The other then he had to save Shirou at the end. I mean Shirou didn't have anything left when Gil tried to save himself. So there's no way Archer is like that, besides that was more like a Support Kill if you ask me.

Also, I have to agree with Chaos Chaud here on that matter as well about Gil.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Uberoy » May 25th, 2009, 5:43 pm

Chaos Chaud wrote:
Also, in UBW
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So Gil is the KSer here...
Hey, you can't blame Gil for Shirou's lack of regeneration. If he isn't ready when the king wants to play he only have himself to blame.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Catastrophe » May 25th, 2009, 5:45 pm

hmmm... basing myself a bit in the VIRTUS thing, it somehow gets to mean "Honorable deaths"

so:
Gil's "Honorable Deaths" count = 0
GAR level = 0
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Dark_Habit » May 25th, 2009, 6:48 pm

Reality check : Isn't this topic supposed to be about those who are GAR and not about those who aren't?
Besides, everyone has there preferences.As they say "one man's stone is another man's gold" (Hell yeah that was original !).
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Uberoy » May 25th, 2009, 6:54 pm

This thread is about why Archer is Gar, and since Gil is an Archer he's not off-topic.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Dark_Habit » May 25th, 2009, 7:05 pm

Uberoy wrote:This thread is about why Archer is Gar, and since Gil is an Archer he's not off-topic.
Arrgh! Read what I wrote! I said we shouldn't be discussing about whose NOT Gar! I never said anything about Goldie.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Uberoy » May 25th, 2009, 7:37 pm

Well, you responded to someone who said that Gil wasn't Gar which means he's considered not gar which is one opinion in this discussion. A discussion needs more than one opinion or else we have a pretty dead thread.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Dark_Habit » May 25th, 2009, 8:07 pm

Uberoy wrote:Well, you responded to someone who said that Gil wasn't Gar which means he's considered not gar which is one opinion in this discussion. A discussion needs more than one opinion or else we have a pretty dead thread.
Dang, I give up.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Kid-Wolf » May 25th, 2009, 8:26 pm

Ok I'll give you this, Gil does have GAR-like moments in certain parts of the story I'll give you that. Although his aditude can come off as so not GAR that it kind of cancels most, if not all of his GARness. I mean
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by abscess » May 25th, 2009, 9:49 pm

Kid-Wolf wrote:Not only that, but
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That is a completely debatable point, but those are my two cents. I'd say Gil is not GAR but badass and stupid.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Kid-Wolf » May 26th, 2009, 12:45 am

@abscess: So you're saying that Gil has all the taits for being GAR, but he doesn't use them properly due to his idoisy? I mean yes he does pull off the badass factor, but he sometimes tends to overplay it and then acts more like a pompus ass instead.

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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by SolarAdept » June 1st, 2009, 7:02 pm

Gil-kid is affably evil. Gil-adult is a jerkass.

I wonder if the Archer in HF3 was GAR... or who he/she even was.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Kid-Wolf » June 1st, 2009, 7:47 pm

Oddly enough I don't think they though be that far on the Servants that participated.
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As for the rest of the Servants they didn't say at all. Although I don't think they will go that deep for that since HF4 had a ten year difference from HF5, instead of 60+years from HF3 to HF4.

Although sometimes I wonder what were the Servants that were summoned in the first three HF Wars though, but the only Archers we currently know of is HF4 Archer, Gil. and HF5 Archer
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- Finding my way through this garden is rather unbearable, but if it is to keep the one I adore company I will endure it for her sake, and her sake alone.

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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Uberoy » June 1st, 2009, 9:39 pm

Kid-Wolf wrote:Although sometimes I wonder what were the Servants that were summoned in the first three HF Wars though.[/spoil]
I wonder that aswell but I'm more interested in
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Chaos Chaud » June 1st, 2009, 9:57 pm

Uberoy wrote:I wonder that aswell but I'm more interested in
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Me too...
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Vhailor » June 1st, 2009, 11:33 pm

Well, if i remember, the grail was in fact something means to keep the soul of the defeated heroic spirits before they go back to Akasha (Yes, i know, the servants are not the heroic spirit but some kind of copy. Never the less, if i read correctly HF, it seems they do return to the throne of heroes, maybe like a book mentionned by Archer.). They keep every souls and then, they release it to create something like a hole, because of the massiv prana, that will be a path for the mage to reach Akasha.
This is the theory BUT it never happened.
First HF, they just summon three heroic spirits (the three knights) and it was not enough.
Second HF, they decieved the magic association pretending the rituel of HF was a battleroyal were magi compete. But, again, a monstruous failure because the outragous powerful servants nuke everything and magi doesn't restrain themselves anymore, destroying the whole damn thing. This forced the magic association to ask the Church to act as a supervisor for the future Grail war.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Kikuchi » June 1st, 2009, 11:59 pm

^Nicely put.
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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Kid-Wolf » June 2nd, 2009, 12:13 am

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Re: Why do you think Archer is GAR?

Unread post by Chaos Chaud » June 2nd, 2009, 12:50 am

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"Let Chaos consume your soul, and you won't be neither good nor evil, neither light nor darkness. You will be hollow, will be future, will be freedom." -Chaos Chaud
"You defeat him" -GARcher
"Drown in your ideals and die" -GARcher
"My spine hurts. My body is cold. My fingers are frozen. Yet, my brain burns with fire."- T. Shiki

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