A few questions (Spoilers)

serious8 · Unread post by **serious8** » December 6th, 2007, 4:11 pm

Wow complicated.
again with Rider someone just said Shinji was a rapist.
Did he rape Rider? can the masters do that without the permisssion of the servants? or without using the seals or whatever they are?

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Einherjar · Unread post by **Einherjar** » December 6th, 2007, 4:48 pm

You don't have to be a "good guy" to be a hero. Mentioned in the game. True Assassin isn't really a hero, is he? Caster too.

Kansho · Unread post by **Kansho** » December 6th, 2007, 5:55 pm

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Einherjar · Unread post by **Einherjar** » December 6th, 2007, 7:01 pm

Kansho wrote:
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Shinji rapes Sakura.

True Assassin has a legend. Is a "Reverse Hero".
Caster and Rider are "a exception" due to the corruption of the Grail.
Is ironic how Rider, who end his life as a monster, is more "human" that another Servants...

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serious8 · Unread post by **serious8** » December 6th, 2007, 9:36 pm

but Shinji was really a good guy (at the beginning)

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Kansho · Unread post by **Kansho** » December 6th, 2007, 10:12 pm

serious8 wrote:but Shinji was really a good guy (at the beginning)
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he becomes a psyco-rapist because of his blood,don't he?
and Sakura and Shinji are really brother and sister?

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Raitei · Unread post by **Raitei** » December 6th, 2007, 10:25 pm

Kansho wrote:
serious8 wrote:but Shinji was really a good guy (at the beginning)
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he becomes a psyco-rapist because of his blood,don't he?
and Sakura and Shinji are really brother and sister?

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Shinji was a good boy... years ago. He turns into a bad person for his own.

Sakura is Rin's sister. The Matou didn't have a suitable heir (Shinji born with 0 magic circuits) so Zouken adopted Sakura. After all, Zouken needed a new Grail and a future good body to obtain immortality.

With the years, Shinji began to see Sakura as a stranger who stole his spot as future succesor of the Matou lineage. Even though he couldn't really do good magecraft, he was proud of being promised to be the head of the Matou magus family. But then, Sakura came and replaced him.

So Shinji began to rape Sakura at his own volition, forcing her to sleep with him many times. That's because Shinji's jealousy and lust towards Sakura (he seems to be obssesed with the Tohsaka sisters...) Under Shinji's point of view, Sakura belongs only to him.

Maybe Shinji is only another victim of Matou's corruption/wrong ways... but that doesn't mean that he hasn't acts like a horrible guy.

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btw, hasn't anyone answered my question yet? is that cowardly b****** shinji still alive in f/ha?

Kansho · Unread post by **Kansho** » December 6th, 2007, 10:36 pm

He's alive in F/HA yes. He hasn't change a bit, but now Sakura have the control of Matou family, so Shinji only is a nonentity scared of Sakura. xDDDD

serialies · Unread post by **serialies** » December 7th, 2007, 1:38 am

@ serious

i think he had command spell (or book...) forced sex with rider...but im not sure if it was said specifically or just implied.

but yeah anyway, the guy sucks, shoulda been eaten by gil as a child

Einherjar · Unread post by **Einherjar** » December 7th, 2007, 2:02 am

serialies wrote:@ serious

i think he had command spell (or book...) forced sex with rider...but im not sure if it was said specifically or just implied.

but yeah anyway, the guy sucks, shoulda been eaten by gil as a child

That's what I thought too.

Raitei · Unread post by **Raitei** » December 7th, 2007, 2:13 am

serialies wrote: but yeah anyway, the guy sucks, shoulda been eaten by gil as a child

nah, if you've seen ko-gil, you would think that he's totally harmless ( yeah, his looks are so innocent that you would wonder why he became like that when he was grown up ). in short, I think ko-gil is inappropriate for the role. sakura's better ( yeah, like what she did in hf ) XD. or rider, I would think...
even though she has no connection, I'd like to saber pwn him too XD

Kansho wrote:He's alive in F/HA yes. He hasn't change a bit, but now Sakura have the control of Matou family, so Shinji only is a nonentity scared of Sakura. xDDDD

scared!? wtf!?

serialies · Unread post by **serialies** » December 7th, 2007, 2:30 am

nah, if you've seen ko-gil, you would think that he's totally harmless ( yeah, his looks are so innocent that you would wonder why he became like that when he was grown up ). in short, I think ko-gil is inappropriate for the role. sakura's better ( yeah, like what she did in hf ) XD. or rider, I would think...
even though she has no connection, I'd like to saber pwn him too XD

no i mean...

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scared!? wtf!?

and yes scared is the right word as

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Raitei · Unread post by **Raitei** » December 7th, 2007, 3:17 am

serialies wrote:no i mean...
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when shinji was a child, Gil should have eaten him for mana

ah, I see. well, that could be interesting, heh.

serialies wrote:
scared!? wtf!?
and yes scared is the right word as
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...in fate/HA she still has the "taint" in her, which DOES make her alot stronger...even though its just for comic relief + without zouken shinji is powerless and sakura could just kill him easily.

oho...? but I heard in f/ha, every characters in f/sn reappeared with exception of kirei and hassan, so zouken would've been there too, wouldn't he?

serious8 · Unread post by **serious8** » December 7th, 2007, 11:37 am

hmmm pityful
I like Shinji
I thought there could be a way to save him or stop him form being a rapist.
mmmm in someway are Shinji and SHIKI the same.

Kansho · Unread post by **Kansho** » December 7th, 2007, 12:00 pm

serious8 wrote:hmmm pityful
I like Shinji
I thought there could be a way to save him or stop him form being a rapist.
mmmm in someway are Shinji and SHIKI the same.

Well he has a chance... but I don't want to spoil you more about it.

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...in fate/HA she still has the "taint" in her, which DOES make her alot stronger...even though its just for comic relief Razz + without zouken shinji is powerless and sakura could just kill him easily.
oho...? but I heard in f/ha, every characters in f/sn reappeared with exception of kirei and hassan, so zouken would've been there too, wouldn't he?

Zouken... only is mentioned as the "ill" Matou grandfather (in Hanafuda minigame appears also..) Sakura took the leadership in his place. Theorically, six months ago she become a Shadow (F/HA is a mixture, sometimes has Fate references, other HF ones... Probably because of the nature of "that" world.) but now she only forces her inner shadow when she uses her taumaturgy. If she's not careful, she might become a monster again... That and the use of Black Sakura as comic relief. xD

Shinji is scared of Sakura because she now has the total control of the family. And with the bizarre events in Hollow, that would be very dangerous for him. xD

Raitei · Unread post by **Raitei** » December 7th, 2007, 12:52 pm

serious8 wrote:hmmm pityful
I like Shinji
I thought there could be a way to save him or stop him form being a rapist.
mmmm in someway are Shinji and SHIKI the same.

maybe he is, maybe he isn't. the point is, I think nasu created shinji as an all-round hated character. come to think of it, I haven't seen any nice side of him; all he did only created a pure disgusting, badguy sense...

Kansho wrote:
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...in fate/HA she still has the "taint" in her, which DOES make her alot stronger...even though its just for comic relief Razz + without zouken shinji is powerless and sakura could just kill him easily.
oho...? but I heard in f/ha, every characters in f/sn reappeared with exception of kirei and hassan, so zouken would've been there too, wouldn't he?
Zouken... only is mentioned as the "ill" Matou grandfather (in Hanafuda minigame appears also..) Sakura took the leadership in his place. Theorically, six months ago she become a Shadow (F/HA is a mixture, sometimes has Fate references, other HF ones... Probably because of the nature of "that" world.) but now she only forces her inner shadow when she uses her taumaturgy. If she's not careful, she might become a monster again... That and the use of Black Sakura as comic relief. xD

Shinji is scared of Sakura because she now has the total control of the family. And with the bizarre events in Hollow, that would be very dangerous for him. xD

so, sakura finally became the head of the matou family eh... I... wouldn't want to think about it.
and she still also had the worm d*** monster inside her? I...kinda pity her though...

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anyone knows what or where saber works in f/ha? I'm kinda curious ( actually,I'm dying to know XD ) because I saw her playing with a lot of children in the fmv... I wonder if she finally works as a kindergarten teacher ( I think that suits her "cute" personality, no? )...

Einherjar · Unread post by **Einherjar** » December 7th, 2007, 1:32 pm

Raitei wrote:
serious8 wrote:hmmm pityful
I like Shinji
I thought there could be a way to save him or stop him form being a rapist.
mmmm in someway are Shinji and SHIKI the same.
maybe he is, maybe he isn't. the point is, I think nasu created shinji as an all-round hated character. come to think of it, I haven't seen any nice side of him; all he did only created a pure disgusting, badguy sense...
Kansho wrote:
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...in fate/HA she still has the "taint" in her, which DOES make her alot stronger...even though its just for comic relief Razz + without zouken shinji is powerless and sakura could just kill him easily.
oho...? but I heard in f/ha, every characters in f/sn reappeared with exception of kirei and hassan, so zouken would've been there too, wouldn't he?
Zouken... only is mentioned as the "ill" Matou grandfather (in Hanafuda minigame appears also..) Sakura took the leadership in his place. Theorically, six months ago she become a Shadow (F/HA is a mixture, sometimes has Fate references, other HF ones... Probably because of the nature of "that" world.) but now she only forces her inner shadow when she uses her taumaturgy. If she's not careful, she might become a monster again... That and the use of Black Sakura as comic relief. xD

Shinji is scared of Sakura because she now has the total control of the family. And with the bizarre events in Hollow, that would be very dangerous for him. xD
so, sakura finally became the head of the matou family eh... I... wouldn't want to think about it.
and she still also had the worm d*** monster inside her? I...kinda pity her though... (

anyone knows what or where saber works in f/ha? I'm kinda curious ( actually,I'm dying to know XD ) because I saw her playing with a lot of children in the fmv... I wonder if she finally works as a kindergarten teacher ( I think that suits her "cute" personality, no? )...

Playing soccer I think.

serious8 · Unread post by **serious8** » December 7th, 2007, 2:53 pm

Einherjar wrote: so, sakura finally became the head of the matou family eh... I... wouldn't want to think about it.
and she still also had the worm d*** monster inside her? I...kinda pity her though... Sad

Wow!!!!!!! hold it !!!
What does she have inside?
Holi Sheet!!! I didn't know about that
how did she get something like that? She swamm in a contaminated river or what?

Raitei · Unread post by **Raitei** » December 7th, 2007, 3:03 pm

serious8 wrote:Wow!!!!!!! hold it !!!
What does she have inside?
Holi Sheet!!! I didn't know about that
how did she get something like that? She swamm in a contaminated river or what?

yeah, she had d*** worms in her body... the credit goes to zouken, he's the man.
it seemed that the d*** worms was planted inside her to draw out her powers... I can show you the cg containing the worms, if you want me to...
just be warned that you won't be able to sleep for a few days ( actually, I did, but it was another cg about saber that caused me unbearable pain and made me insomniac )...
( moderate hf spoiler )

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and serious8, that's my post you're quoting, not Einherjar's...

serialies · Unread post by **serialies** » December 7th, 2007, 3:10 pm

well basically...
(not for those sensitive at heart)

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EDIT: and what raitei said