abscess wrote:Miraploy wrote:I'm sure that some sort of fusion and memory exchange occured.
I'm sure you are wrong on this one. There is no "soul fusion" when Roa invades a host, he just takes over. from time to time the other soul seems to "wake up", as it happened with SHIKI (but I think that never happened before) but the souls stay as separate entities.
I never said anything about the soul. We don't understand the Tsukihime idea of the soul. I only said fusion and memory exchange. Which is accurate.
Miraploy wrote:Remember, Roa loses part of himself every time he bodyswaps. Why? Because he takes in parts of the host. Why else would he choose a wealthy host if he wouldn't retain any of his memories?
I don't fully understand what you want to say here. Are you saying that Roa takes rich families' baby because of their memory? I think it's said very explicitly in the game that he takes rich babies as their host because that makes the job of exterminating the whole town a lot easier than being a no-body's son/daughter.
I'm saying he wouldn't be able to use his new body's power and influence if he didn't have any of the new body's memories. I think it's pretty clear from both Roa's experience with SHIKI (when he taunts Shiki in the Roa personality), and from the description of Roa's losing himself that Roa does absorb all of the host's personality/memory.
The question is whether that is reciprocated on the host side.
[/quote]Miraploy wrote:Also Shiki's experience in Ciel's route is very informative of the way that Roa takes over. It's not a sudden change in command, nor is it a sudden shoving aside of Shiki's will. Roa is a combination of desires and memories. Also Shiki does get Roa's memories, he remembers his experiences as 17 in France. So even if there wasn't a complete merger, there was a partial merger.
That was different, and it as not a merger. Because of the kind of bond Shiki had with SHIKI (remember that Shiki sometimes saw "himself" killing long haired women?), Shiki was able to get into Roa's memory and see his/her past but there was no kind of merging/fusion of souls. It's important to take note that Shiki does not have all of Roa's memory, he has like two or three of them if I remember, but from what you said I got that you said that he gets all of Roa's memories, which doesn't happen.
Can you read mate? I never said anything about a fusion of souls. I said a partial memory/desires merger. Which is obvious from Shiki's experience. His sudden desire to rape Kohaku, etc some of his actions afterwards, were Roa influences.
chasmirror, does it say anywhere if the soul normally dies when Roa invades?