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The project: our own novel.

Unread postby Superflonic » May 20th, 2009, 8:30 pm

So, I had this idea planned out for this forum (it's from a topic I created a long, long time ago). I already know we have some pretty talented writers here, and I am sure the idea is feasible.
Our own novel. This is not necessarily something that needs mirror moon's help, but this forum is perfect for organising such a thing.
I bet, that next to talented writers, we also have a few programmers and audio artists here.

So, first of all, I want your opinion; should there actually be an (amature) visual novel? Would you like to be part of it?

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And wait, why has this been moved to Fan Fiction? I meant this to be something based on an original story.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby zweiterversuch » May 21st, 2009, 1:23 pm

*opens the door*

Hi! Just passing by!


If you want to create a Vn I highly recommend you to do it with FIRE the Vn engine at www.typemoon.us .

Easy & practical.
Has almost all features Renp'y has and people are working on adding even more!

No need for downloads or sending files to your friends.
Everything will be stored on the site and you can even create your own "club". That way you won't have to worry about the Vn being seen before you want it to.


If you join now we will give a discount on pet food and lingerie!


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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby Superflonic » May 21st, 2009, 2:10 pm

Yeah, FIRE is a good idea. But can you eventually make an offline version of it?
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby zweiterversuch » May 21st, 2009, 3:36 pm

Superflonic wrote:Yeah, FIRE is a good idea. But can you eventually make an offline version of it?




offline?
why?

I think one of it's advantages is being an online Vn engine.

but...well...
If that is the case I recommend you Ren' pi then. It is easy to use and is very versatile too...
http://visualnoveldai.com/
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby abscess » May 21st, 2009, 6:29 pm

Well, things are pretty slow around here. But if the project moves forward, you may have my keyboard, my man.
And yeah, I suggest you use Ren'Py or somehow learn to use ONScripter.
I dunno much about the Fire engine. Although it looks promising, I'm of the old school idea that it's better to have a downloadable complete game than an online only. If the coder wants, Fire could be used for an online demo, but that's up to the coder.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby that one guy » May 21st, 2009, 6:42 pm

First post in a long time, but yeah, if you need any help I'm all in. I'm decent with dialogue and descriptions, or whatever really.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby zweiterversuch » May 22nd, 2009, 12:41 am

@Abscess

Well...
It is true that it might be a little bit of a problem sometimes to have an online Vn

but!

you can do very sweet stuff with fire

take a look:

http://www.typemoon.us/visual-novels/ch ... 84875027=1

btw: and tell me if something doesn't make sense please.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby abscess » May 22nd, 2009, 1:12 am

... Y'know, as much as I respect Miraploy (Charuru now) and all the hard work he has done in creating the fire engine, it still falls behind Ren'Py. I've seen some of the projects done with Fire and Ren'Py, Miraploy's engine is still in the early stages of development when compared with an engine that has been proved capable of doing a polished work such as Katawa Shoujo.

This is a debatable point, but I'm of the thought that having a complete game that I can play while offline is the best way to go. A point in favor of Miraploy's online engine is the idea I've seen discussed of having consoles partially substituted with complete online games playable in almost any computer, regardless of having or not the specs required of actually running the game, why? because another computer would be actually running the game while the user just has an active connection with the server or whatever it is that runs the thing. But I still stand my ground. If you are wanting to debate further, fine, but lets do so in another thread or PM.

Going back to the actual topic, which is creating a VN in this community (or something like that is what I understand), if Superflonic is willing to take the mantle of director, I suggest to have in mind what kind of project he is willing to work on and, if possible, people that he knows are willing to help before asking openly.

Asking openly is not a bad thing per se, but it's not the most effective way to start. I know, I've done it and it sucked, believe me.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby zweiterversuch » May 22nd, 2009, 1:17 am

well...that is true.

Superflonic is the boss here.

Sorry for my rudeness.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby abscess » May 22nd, 2009, 1:37 am

... If anyone was rude I think it would be me so, sorry for that. Anyway, the point is that there is not even a plan for anything at this moment, debating engines right now is useless and would seem more like "my e-penis is bigger than yours" kind of discussions. So yeah... The next shot should be taken by Superflonic or anyone wanting to comment on this topic.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby Charuru » May 22nd, 2009, 1:50 am

Hey abscess, zwei directed me here and I'll just respond to what you've said quickly. While much of what you said would've been true last year... well it is LAST year. Since the last time I last extensively talked about Fire here, development has moved along hugely. The build I'm testing is now fully capable of making a game like Katawa Shoujo (and more, including sophisticated RPGs and the like).

I can give you a whole laundry list of features the current version has over the previous version, and I can show you the engine if you want.

And of course I recognize that renpy is a great engine, and you can't go wrong there. But please don't make your decision based on outdated information. Though I regret not having a more current demo to show, been spending all my time coding rather than writing.

And there are tremendous advantages to using Fire:
Such as:
- During development, numerous writers can collaborate on one script, and easily revert back and forth between versions, automatically comparing differences.
- Vastly easier development. Why write in a programming language when doing simple tasks?
- Better interface, the editor makes your life easier.
- (Not yet implemented, but undergoing testing...) Embedding the VN. When posting about it on forums and in emails, why post a download link that takes some minutes to download and install, when the user can immediately start streaming the VN?

Anyway, best of luck though. I'm sure your project will be a success no matter what engine you choose. :)
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby Message » May 22nd, 2009, 5:04 am

Just a note: While Ren'py is probably a better choice because of a much larger English-speaking userbase, ONScripter has recently become a bunch easier with MionFutago's translation of the command reference, plus notes.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby Superflonic » May 22nd, 2009, 9:14 am

Haha, I may be the one that suggested this, but I am nowhere near being a boss. Right now, you all have more experience than I have, so let's just be of equal 'ranks' here. Prevents a whole lot of e-penisery... yeah. That's what I meant.

As abscess said before, having it offline just feels better. But if FIRE is that much easier to work with, it may be better to start with that, and in the event of actually needing more options, we can consider a different engine. Though that's probably not going to happen :)
It just depends. It would be a great challenge of directing this little project, and it seems there are more than enough people willing to work on this.

Let's spill some ideas now. I like to write, but I am more a musician kind of guy.
I did have a story in my mind, but I am bad at actually working it out well. So I think we're better off creating a VN out of something another user already created.

Ideas?
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby abscess » May 22nd, 2009, 9:32 am

Well, I can write and draw. I could try hard to paint something but it will most likely be something substandard (read: crap) and when it comes to music... let's just not go there...
The first thing would be to choose the genre, I think. Be it eroge or not, comedy, serious, horror, sci-fi, school-life or not (I rather not, but.. meh).... uhm... other stuff I can't think of right now...
Anyway, it may be good to get more people interested after there's at least a gist of what it is to be done.

Oh, by the way, don't think that we have all that much knowledge with creating games either. From what I can tell, zwei has used Fire, Miraploy may be too occupied creating Fire, Message... I dunno about that guy, he probably isn't even interested but IIRC he worked in Fool's Errand and I haven't tried to make a game in... six years or so...
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby Superflonic » May 22nd, 2009, 10:05 am

About the genre, let's just try to avoid eroge.
It's too awkward to write >_>
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby zweiterversuch » May 22nd, 2009, 10:18 am

mmmm
You want ideas?
good!

That is the only thing I think I am good at.

Ideas...Ideas...

mmmmmmm

what about a story about perverts?

wait! let me explain.

As you know the anime has a very well know erotic side called "Hentai".
What if you write about what happens with the life of the rape & abuse victims? (or the perpetrators)
What happens after a mother discovers what kind of relationship they children have.
What happens the classmates of some girl discover she was (is being) abused by her family.
how does a stalker live when he has no pray? when he has one?
are all perverts social outcasts?
the modus operandi of a pedophilic teacher.
how does a mother behave when she is having a relationship with one of her sons (daughters)
etc etc...
of course. Not every thing must be so.... hardcore. I suppose you can do something very romantic out of a forbidden relationship (for instance by the sister X brother or sister X sister, brother X brother.)
And it shouldn't be an eroge or a sex-game. You can tell the stories of the characters only implying what happened to them before without showing any kind of sex scenes.


I know it sounds... well....I don't know how it sounds to you guys.
But if done right, you can create a very nice Vn.
http://visualnoveldai.com/
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby abscess » May 23rd, 2009, 3:13 am

Superflonic wrote:About the genre, let's just try to avoid eroge.
It's too awkward to write >_>

You could get someone else to write it in a tasteful manner. Who knows? maybe the whole story could turn out as an erotic novel instead of cheap porno :lol: Well, that may be expecting too much of a project that doesn't even have a set plan.

Anyway, I have some ideas. Kind of sci-fi-esque, but not that much:
It occures In the not so distant future.
-Most of the landmass has become a desert and, as expected, very little rain falls. The little that it does, is of acidic nature, ruining whole cities.
-The atmosphere is almost unbreathable without some kind of apparatus working as a filter.
-The clouds are a mixture of water with a number of other chemicals, in other words, the majority of the water in clouds is not even close to what we know as water.
-Striving to survive, some humans settle in the few cities that remain and start building domes to protect themselves.
-The ones that enclosed themselves know that, in due time, the rain will make its way into the settlement to poison and ruin the city they live in.
-The story could be of how the people try to get by with what little they have. Either a single story or fragmented stories of them struggling with hunger, trying to dig themselves a new city under the rocks before the rain comes in, the people outside trying to come in and a few of the ones that are in wanting to go out.

Some stuff like that. Not a happy story as a whole, but maybe, if done right, with some kind of message or something.
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby inferno_flamex » May 23rd, 2009, 4:09 pm

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Just find yourself someone who could color well. And you'll have a good mecha drawing/art...
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Re: The project: our own novel.

Unread postby that one guy » May 24th, 2009, 4:26 am

I'm no good with basic thoughts/ideas. Let me know when you've got a solid genre down and we'll go from there. Though yeah, lets avoid anything erotic. Those don't work out well for....uh.....let's just go with "some of us".
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