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Unread postby ayadew » March 6th, 2008, 11:44 pm

That is exactly what I wanted to know, the effect and cause of true despair.
Perhaps I live such a carefree life without too much annoyance that I forgot that feeling and it's uglyness.
I've had it too once, so yes, I can relate it seems.. in the end.
Time makes me forget about these characters and their fates, I'll take my time and lucid dream about Kohaku this night, to see the situation from her eyes.
Don't really look forward to it. But to neglect and forget that this feeling, state of mind, exists, for myself and for others, is pure ignorance.
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Unread postby Danakir » March 6th, 2008, 11:49 pm

Lucid dream? Sounds interesting.

I'm glad I've been able to help.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » March 7th, 2008, 12:02 am

ayadew wrote:That is exactly what I wanted to know, the effect and cause of true despair.
Perhaps I live such a carefree life without too much annoyance that I forgot that feeling and it's uglyness.
I've had it too once, so yes, I can relate it seems.. in the end.
Time makes me forget about these characters and their fates, I'll take my time and lucid dream about Kohaku this night, to see the situation from her eyes.
Don't really look forward to it. But to neglect and forget that this feeling, state of mind, exists, for myself and for others, is pure ignorance.


Wait. Did I miss something?
where come this "lucid dream" from?
was that Ayadew's poem?
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Unread postby Danakir » March 7th, 2008, 12:12 am

I'm not so sure myself, therein why I mention it.
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Unread postby ayadew » March 7th, 2008, 12:33 am

It is something very real and very useful (or disgusting), I use it to experience or try things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream
If you mistake my posts for poems I have to write less elaborate hehe

Have to look within oneself for salvation.
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Unread postby Danakir » March 7th, 2008, 12:34 am

I thought that might be what you meant.

You should be careful with that though...

But do tell us what insight you do get from this.
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Unread postby ayadew » March 7th, 2008, 12:38 am

Likely no insight, just a reminder, for myself.
This is not really harmful though, much more deeper in the cousciousness there can be danger though.. but that is still far away for me.
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Unread postby Danakir » March 7th, 2008, 12:40 am

Beware what stalks the depths of the human psyche, for there is no escaping what has been unleashed.

Is that what you mean?
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Unread postby ayadew » March 7th, 2008, 12:52 am

Perhaps, I have little experience of the human psyche and its seemingly endless depths, all I know is that it's fascinating enough to dedicate yourself to exploring.. and perhaps lose yourself trying. A true mystery, seemingly one of the few that's left.
Sorry for going such offtopic
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Unread postby Danakir » March 7th, 2008, 12:57 am

Do I seem to mind? I do not.

The human psyche is a beautiful landscape, yet in its colorful horizon lurk shadows best left undisturbed.

Take my word for it. ^_^

Edit: And nobody said you couldn't comment on the poetry.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » March 7th, 2008, 4:11 am

I get it now...
but then again have you ever experienced a lucid dream?
well I think I haven't.
I really don't remember having that kind of dream (even though mine are really crazy ones.)
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Unread postby Danakir » March 7th, 2008, 4:13 am

The ones I had were disturbing enough for me to now avoid it altogether.
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Unread postby ayadew » March 9th, 2008, 3:48 pm

It's what you make of it.. and what I made of mine gave me little, like they usually do. Just a reminder of fate's ways and conviction of that giving into temptation, darkness within and power does not yield happiness. Stronger than any worded argument.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » March 9th, 2008, 7:01 pm

ayadew wrote:It's what you make of it.. and what I made of mine gave me little, like they usually do. Just a reminder of fate's ways and conviction of that giving into temptation, darkness within and power does not yield happiness. Stronger than any worded argument.


well, I think Sakura-chan is right there Kohaku-chan. (Sorry. I just had to do it.)

But think of it.
With money ( or fear) you get power and with power you get peace. (The Ideology of some countries.)
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Unread postby Danakir » March 9th, 2008, 7:12 pm

Peace? You can't build peace with power...

You can however bring devastation.

Remember, power is only known when it is used, and whenever it is used, it can never bring peace.

Therefore power is, at best, a nuisance to the concept of peace.

Which is itself an impossible concept, seeing as the concept of peace cannot truly exist in a world where there is free will.

Or at least the illusion of it thereof.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » March 9th, 2008, 8:51 pm

Danakir wrote:Peace? You can't build peace with power...

You can however bring devastation.

Remember, power is only known when it is used, and whenever it is used, it can never bring peace.

Therefore power is, at best, a nuisance to the concept of peace.

Which is itself an impossible concept, seeing as the concept of peace cannot truly exist in a world where there is free will.

Or at least the illusion of it thereof.


Well, you are right.
I just wanted to say that is what some people think.

And even so:
In a World controlled by power can exist peace.
Like in the USSRD.
There can be peace but no happiness.
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Unread postby ayadew » March 9th, 2008, 9:34 pm

"To make peace through war is like fucking for chastity."
Crude but descriptive

All this makes me think of a quote from Angel Sanctuary
"Full of sin, but the happiest lambs in the world."

And yes Danakir, it is truly a bother with all the world's contradictions, most invented by ourselves.
Free will and destiny being the most obvious ones.

Did destiny decide us to not know wether we have free will or not, or does the actual free will allow us to define that we have free will.

And if you believe in destiny, there can be no free will, which means you can't freely believe in in the first place destiny. And if you believe in free will, you must alter that which is a result of previous actions you could not affect, which you cannot now either.

I've yet to find one thing in this existence that isn't relative. Even death, which seems so final, is uncertain.
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Unread postby Danakir » March 10th, 2008, 6:09 am

Destiny and free will are irrelevant concepts. As you cannot ascertain either possibility, the truth becomes something that is neither desirable nor needed.

Furthermore, death is only relative as far as spiritual functions go. There is very little doubt that the end of our bodily functions is an absolute fact of this existence. Therefore death is a vindication of existence.

Without death all we hold so dear unto us, all the excuses we make for ourselves so that we may live one more day, all of those beautiful lies that keep the world going.... crumble to dust.

And what is left?

Who knows, no one can say what lies in that place where the twilight and dawn meet, but it is certain that it is not existence.

Remember, our existence is fleeting but it is also defined by this constant chaos that is death. Without it, what could there be?

That is why I would say that death is not as relative as we would like it to be.
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Unread postby ayadew » March 10th, 2008, 9:48 am

The truth is not needed? Interesting point.
Although I'm still interested in the truth of all things, perhaps I've yet to see the folly of it. Even if you and I like to believe there's no steady points, nothing to hold on to in the violent currents on life, we still manufacture truths to survive it.
So many beautiful lies, you begin to wonder if life itself isn't something desirable nor needed!

I envy these people who find meaning in religion. An answer to death and life. An easy way to find your place and purpose, but my conviction is that I will find this for myself, even if it should damn me forever. Since everything outside seems uncertain, I look within myself for answers instead.. thus my astral mumbo jumbo and lucid dreams. There are many ways.. love, family, destruction, creativity, endless, but they all seem fleeting.

Or what is your conviction? We seem the same, on the brink of cynicism yet determined to find something, since we share our thoughts.
It's not often I find someone who's spiritual growth is greater or equal.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » March 10th, 2008, 10:53 am

Well, I think we are talking about something that can't be explained easly since their meaning change from being to being.
Things like death, Peace or Truth are some of the thing the mankind will not understand or achieve as specie but maybe as individual.
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