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Unread post by Kansho » May 24th, 2008, 4:46 pm

In the novel, Overlooking View was also exactly that way. Kara no Kyoukai begins to getting interesting during the next chapters. The first chapter is one of the worst (if isn't "the") of the whole series. The original chapter itself lacks all that things, and the chapters aren't time-linear, so that didn't help to this one. Even so, that's not a problem (see at Haruhi anime... :roll:)

Kinoko probably concived it first time as a experiment, a pilot chapter, he probably even wasn't thinking in a full series when he wroted it and released it in the net. I think that ufotable even made this chapter better than in the novel, and Kinoko also thinks it aswell. Generaly the underlying theme of the book is very deep. Kinoko once said in an interview that games have an advantage over novels because it can use pictures and music on top of text. For a novel to be just as interesting, it needs to be three times as interesting. Speaking as a whole, he did it in Rakkyo. That's why the book had very good critics.

Even so, I think that they made a very good adaptation. I loved it. As an adaptation, is far better than the awful Tsukihime and the mediocre Fate. It even had the same atmosphere of the novels, and this one didn't lacks the expressive power of the original like the other two. Probably, chapters like /3 or /5 will be awesome.
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Unread post by abscess » May 24th, 2008, 11:06 pm

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Kansho wrote:Even so, I think that they made a very good adaptation. I loved it. As an adaptation, is far better than the awful Tsukihime and the mediocre Fate
I've never seen F/SN anime, is that bad?
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Unread post by Kansho » May 24th, 2008, 11:22 pm

abscess wrote:
Kansho wrote:Even so, I think that they made a very good adaptation. I loved it. As an adaptation, is far better than the awful Tsukihime and the mediocre Fate
I've never seen F/SN anime, is that bad?
It's better than Shingetsutan Tsukihime adaptation-wise, but had big problems. Lacks all the expresive power of the visual novel, they only adapted Fate route (for better or worse), DEEN animation was totally random (awesome to totally awful depending of the scene/episode), they contradicted statements/information of the original material, they took away all the "in-universe" stuff... and more. It's not a bad anime either, its "so-so". It's only than Fate/stay night (same with Tsukihime) deserves something more than that.
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Unread post by Beowulf Lee » May 25th, 2008, 12:53 am

abscess wrote:I've never seen F/SN anime, is that bad?
Yes, it's very bad. It has a pretty strong start but by the time that the directors started intersplicing and inventing their own dialogue (you know what I'm referring to) it went down hill very fast.

I once wrote about how the anime blows in detail on these boards, but I'm too lazy to find it.

But... at least the anime exists.

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Unread post by Infoceptor » May 25th, 2008, 3:11 am

I read an interview with Nasu about the Kara no Kyoukai movie. If you haven't seen it yet, its pretty good:

http://comipress.com/article/2007/10/12/2786

Two really nice tidbits of information. The first is that he considers Overlooking View the clumiest chapter so i'll probably get better from here on out. The second is that the movies will vary in length according to actual content. Thats really, really good to hear.

As for the movie itself, it definitely has some obvious holes to it. No need to repeat what other people have said, if you look close enough, you'll definitely see them. Honestly though, i really did enjoy it and thats the bottom line.

But the biggest thing keeping me from really appreciating it is, once again, the theme. I don't understand what the movie is trying to say and its bothering me. The movie's message is pretty fragmented like the plot and though i've pieced together my own interpretation, i would really like it if people could post their own. I'm not looking for spoilers or anything, just what, in your opinion, all that philosophical mumbo jumbo meant.

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Unread post by animefanzmg » May 25th, 2008, 9:01 pm

i think the whole floating thing is about the meaninglessness of life, human beings cannot fly under their own power they can only fall if they try. something along those lines.

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Unread post by Qaenyin Angelblade » May 25th, 2008, 11:02 pm

The 'philosophical mumbo jumbo' is just that, philosophical. It's meant to be something you consider, something that makes you think. Not something you simply take at face value. If you didn't simply understand it immediately without putting a lot of thought into the meaning, then it is serving it's purpose, actually.

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Unread post by PrimarchBentley » May 27th, 2008, 9:20 pm

abscess wrote:
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Well, here's one little tidbit from Tsukihime to remember:
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On another tangent,
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As for the 'villian' and character development in KnK:
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W.W.N.D. - What Would Nasu Do?

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Unread post by Neko Arc » May 28th, 2008, 7:21 pm

Kansho wrote:In the novel, Overlooking View was also exactly that way. Kara no Kyoukai begins to getting interesting during the next chapters. The first chapter is one of the worst (if isn't "the") of the whole series. The original chapter itself lacks all that things, and the chapters aren't time-linear, so that didn't help to this one. Even so, that's not a problem (see at Haruhi anime... :roll:)

Kinoko probably concived it first time as a experiment, a pilot chapter, he probably even wasn't thinking in a full series when he wroted it and released it in the net.
What? Knk was first released as 900 pages book, it was pretty much unsuccesful . Later the first 4 chapter were released for free with some Tsukihime copies and the net trying to use Tsukihime's success,but acording to Tsukihime Plus + Disk, it was useless,being very similar, people though that it was just a Tsukihime pilot and Knk continued ignored.

From moonlite world:

"A 900 page novel by the Type-Moon writer, prior to Tsukihime. Having a main character that has the same name and same ability, it can be considered a prototype of Tsukihime. They have a lot in common, but the underlying theme in this book probably goes much deeper. The writer once said in an interview that games have an advantage over novels because it can use pictures and music on top of text. For a novel to be just as interesting, it needs to be three times as interesting."

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Unread post by Kansho » May 28th, 2008, 7:36 pm

Yeah, I forgot the first edition. But Kinoko himself said that the first chapter is the clumiest one. And when Kodansha published Rakkyo as the typical 2 books edition (2004 one), gained a LOT of popularity.
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Unread post by Neko Arc » May 28th, 2008, 8:35 pm

KnK was always very unpopular, the number of books reprinted is short and mostly bough by some Type -Moon fans. These movies are the best thing that could happen to Kara No Kyokai.

Anyone knows where the dvd 2 is released?

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Unread post by Kansho » May 28th, 2008, 8:47 pm

Neko Arc wrote:KnK was always very unpopular, the number of books reprinted is short and mostly bough by some Type -Moon fans. These movies are the best thing that could happen to Kara No Kyokai.

Anyone knows where the dvd 2 is released?
The novels sold more than 500,000 copies. It's a pretty good number, I didn't call that "unpopular".

Ok, Tsukihime and Fate/stay night are far popular, but that didn't turn Rakkyo "unpopular".
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Unread post by Chronowraith » May 28th, 2008, 9:14 pm

Kansho wrote:
Neko Arc wrote:KnK was always very unpopular, the number of books reprinted is short and mostly bough by some Type -Moon fans. These movies are the best thing that could happen to Kara No Kyokai.

Anyone knows where the dvd 2 is released?
The novels sold more than 500,000 copies. It's a pretty good number, I didn't call that "unpopular".

Ok, Tsukihime and Fate/stay night are far popular, but that didn't turn Rakkyo "unpopular".
:D *owns it and it proud of it*
though it is very difficult for me with my limited japanese to get through it, i constantly look stuff up and take notes about strange grammar that I'm unsure of how to translate :s. The bakatsuki helped me a lot in the early stages whenever i was unsure but since i passed where they were it's gotten a lot harder :P.

Very much liked the movie and I am eagerly awaiting the release of the rest, though I want to finish the book before I see the movies of the other chapters.

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Unread post by Neko Arc » May 28th, 2008, 11:17 pm

Kansho wrote:
Neko Arc wrote:KnK was always very unpopular, the number of books reprinted is short and mostly bough by some Type -Moon fans. These movies are the best thing that could happen to Kara No Kyokai.

Anyone knows where the dvd 2 is released?
The novels sold more than 500,000 copies. It's a pretty good number, I didn't call that "unpopular".

Ok, Tsukihime and Fate/stay night are far popular, but that didn't turn Rakkyo "unpopular".
is a decent number , but is far from other novels.
Battle Royale
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu
Zero no Tsukaima
Full Metal Panic!
Shakugan no Shana
Maria-sama ga Miteru
Saiunkoku Monogatari -
Shinkyoku Soukai
New Record of Lodoss War
Mimizuku to Yoru no Ou
Hack novels
The Twelve Kingdoms novels
DDD( yes DDD sells more than Knk...)
The list goes and goes for at least 122 modern stuff.

Nodoby is saying that is bad, is awesome, but was always in the shadow of other type moon stuff( i know is technicall type moon but...) this kind of thing is what it needed to finally be able to have a name of their own, and probably the new reprinting of the novels will do quite well.

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Unread post by Phoenician » May 29th, 2008, 8:44 am

I saw the anime for Suzumiya Haruhi, I had to have the wiki open the whole time to figure out chronological order, and it still didn't make sense, the episode right before ep 4 (I think it was 10) had more of a development of the Haruhi-Kyon relationship than the final episode (which was 9 I think), was the manga as chaotic in plot development?

oh and I watched Record of Lodoss War, Ikuzo Spark-Taisho!

as for manga, I have a short attention span, only book series I follow are ones by Robert Ludlum (his random titles+ Covert One, I've read them all tho and he's dead, WHAT NOW!?!), Sword of Truth (Which is also ended), Wheel of Time (ending soon... and author also died...), Presidential Agent (Sporiadic releases at best), and lastly Origins (Last book coming out... August? Brisinger)

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Unread post by miszou » May 29th, 2008, 9:54 am

Phoenician wrote:I saw the anime for Suzumiya Haruhi, I had to have the wiki open the whole time to figure out chronological order, and it still didn't make sense, the episode right before ep 4 (I think it was 10) had more of a development of the Haruhi-Kyon relationship than the final episode (which was 9 I think), was the manga as chaotic in plot development?

oh and I watched Record of Lodoss War, Ikuzo Spark-Taisho!

as for manga, I have a short attention span, only book series I follow are ones by Robert Ludlum (his random titles+ Covert One, I've read them all tho and he's dead, WHAT NOW!?!), Sword of Truth (Which is also ended), Wheel of Time (ending soon... and author also died...), Presidential Agent (Sporiadic releases at best), and lastly Origins (Last book coming out... August? Brisinger)
you mean novel, when you say manga right?

The novel series of Haruhi has a normal chronological timeline. How ever, since he published short stories in magazines, which were bundled later on, some short stories suddenly jump back in time. Often they describe a period that was not yet covered in previous stories. So it's quite easy to follow in general, but
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The ep with the Haruhi-Kyon relation boost (although so it seems) is actually
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As for the short attention span, I know what you mean ^^ But I guess novels can fascinate me so much that I actually concentrate more then anything then xD (like with the KnK novel ^^).
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Unread post by Einherjar » May 29th, 2008, 1:42 pm

Beowulf Lee wrote:
abscess wrote:I've never seen F/SN anime, is that bad?
Yes, it's very bad. It has a pretty strong start but by the time that the directors started intersplicing and inventing their own dialogue (you know what I'm referring to) it went down hill very fast.

I once wrote about how the anime blows in detail on these boards, but I'm too lazy to find it.

But... at least the anime exists.
At least most people aren't out of character and the art is pretty good. The manga is horrible.

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Unread post by abscess » May 29th, 2008, 10:20 pm

Einherjar wrote:At least most people aren't out of character and the art is pretty good. The manga is horrible.
Really?? I was thinking of reading the F/SN manga instead of watching the anime.... I thought that the F/SN manga would be at the same level as the Tsukihime manga.
"I settled for that shriek. Those dull vacant eyes... oiled cabbage stench of her...! [...] You know what? I'm sorry if I'm not gonna do this the way you want me to or the way you might. But I will not make an angel out of someone who wasn't an angel...!" -Chief Tyrol, on his beloved wife.
Have you heard about the saying that goes something like "drunk people and kids tell no lies"? Well, that's just a fallacy.

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Unread post by AlinSabel » May 29th, 2008, 10:32 pm

abscess wrote:
Einherjar wrote:At least most people aren't out of character and the art is pretty good. The manga is horrible.
Really?? I was thinking of reading the F/SN manga instead of watching the anime.... I thought that the F/SN manga would be at the same level as the Tsukihime manga.
No. The manga looks absolutely terrible. Truly, you will scratch out your eyes.

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Unread post by abscess » May 29th, 2008, 10:48 pm

AlinSabel wrote:
abscess wrote:
Einherjar wrote:At least most people aren't out of character and the art is pretty good. The manga is horrible.
Really?? I was thinking of reading the F/SN manga instead of watching the anime.... I thought that the F/SN manga would be at the same level as the Tsukihime manga.
No. The manga looks absolutely terrible. Truly, you will scratch out your eyes.
DAMN!! I like my eyes!!
"I settled for that shriek. Those dull vacant eyes... oiled cabbage stench of her...! [...] You know what? I'm sorry if I'm not gonna do this the way you want me to or the way you might. But I will not make an angel out of someone who wasn't an angel...!" -Chief Tyrol, on his beloved wife.
Have you heard about the saying that goes something like "drunk people and kids tell no lies"? Well, that's just a fallacy.

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