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Unread post by serialies » February 10th, 2008, 1:42 am

Rakkyo (kara no kyokai) and [f/sn + tsukihime] dont exist in the same time and/or reality

1. there can only ever be one user of the eyes
2. Arc is the perfect human form (apparantly), Tohko is seeking perfect human form -> Arc is something Tohko would have definately have heard about, making Tohko's quest stupid. thus Tohko has never heard of Arc, and thus they dont exist in the same reality and/or time

yeah i know the second reason isnt a definitive one and its a little iffy...however these reasons are given officially, + the first reason seems pretty definite to me.

and Zel only beat crimson because he did a suprise attack with true magic, crimson got beat because he didnt expect the worst kind (or best kind) of trump card. even then crimson managed to take a chomp out of Zel...which made Zel into a part of the 27 DAA.
in terms of POWERLEVELS, crim was > Zel.

this is all background info so im assuming i dont need spoilers
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Unread post by Kansho » February 10th, 2008, 12:46 pm

Buff, is a difficult matter. Because
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見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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Unread post by serialies » February 10th, 2008, 1:13 pm

erm...but thats still a fan-service-for-teh-lulz thing...
i mean in canon you wouldnt expect
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not to mention kotomine should be
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man i want them to translate that thing...T_T *dust gathers as i wait*
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although i think it would be a 10/10 sexy thing for Rakkyo, Tsukihime, and F/sn to all be in the same universe...reality is, that Rakkyo is not there to make it a trilogy.
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Unread post by Kansho » February 10th, 2008, 1:19 pm

Not really. PLUS-DISC is exactly the same fan-service-for-teh-lulz thing. And is in PLUS-DISC when they say that of Rakkyo.

So at the end, is "fan-service-for-teh-lulz thing vs. fan-service-for-teh-lulz thing".

And I already said,
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見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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Unread post by serialies » February 10th, 2008, 2:00 pm

no...just "puppet master" the name Tohko Aozaki is never mentioned in HF...its always been "puppet master", you could interpret that as "it could be Tohko" or you could see it as a refrence to Rakkyo.

i dont see that as particularly solid evidence for the Rakkyo + f/sn + tsukihime world argument tbh...

+ theres the "no two users of eyes blah blah"...which still stands, and is basically the most definite out of all of it.
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Unread post by Kansho » February 10th, 2008, 2:07 pm

serialies wrote:no...just "puppet master" the name Tohko Aozaki is never mentioned in HF...its always been "puppet master", you could interpret that as "it could be Tohko" or you could see it as a refrence to Rakkyo.
False. Read the Fate/side material.
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Unread post by zweiterversuch » February 10th, 2008, 11:20 pm

Kansho wrote:
serialies wrote:no...just "puppet master" the name Tohko Aozaki is never mentioned in HF...its always been "puppet master", you could interpret that as "it could be Tohko" or you could see it as a refrence to Rakkyo.
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yup
but if Tohko haven't hear of Arc, then it isn't stange that Arc actually doesn't know about the another eyes- user.
moreover anyone of the charas from "Garden of Sinners" are connected with the true ancestors or the Grail war as well as the ones in Tsukihime so their Sinn is ignorance.
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Unread post by serialies » February 11th, 2008, 1:29 am

Kansho wrote:
serialies, there is nothing solid to imply separation. That's all.
serialies wrote: + theres the "no two users of eyes blah blah"...which still stands, and is basically the most definate out of all of it.
yes im an ass for self quoting.

and you forget that if there is another reality in which Shiro never encountered Archer,
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then its entirely possible for there to exist a Tohko in more than one reality, with the same ability, but different purpose/goal.

not to mention that Zelretch's magic itself, is to jump into alternate realities..
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Unread post by zweiterversuch » February 11th, 2008, 11:16 pm

serialies wrote:
Kansho wrote:
serialies, there is nothing solid to imply separation. That's all.
serialies wrote: + theres the "no two users of eyes blah blah"...which still stands, and is basically the most definate out of all of it.
yes im an ass for self quoting.

and you forget that if there is another reality in which Shiro never encountered Archer,
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then its entirely possible for there to exist a Tohko in more than one reality, with the same ability, but different purpose/goal.

not to mention that Zelretch's magic itself, is to jump into alternate realities..
Well that could be a possibility too.
but then Tohko would be as Strong as Zelrecht...
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Unread post by serialies » February 12th, 2008, 9:53 am

@ Tohko > Zelretch
why?...Zelretch = true magic user
Tohko = skilled magus, but not a user of true magic.

and the Tohko sisters are blood related, sister for them actually means sister in the traditional sense, same biological parents, ect (although i wouldnt call their relationship "sisterly" they are on bad terms with each other)
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Unread post by Silverman » February 13th, 2008, 4:19 am

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Unread post by zweiterversuch » February 13th, 2008, 5:16 pm

Atvaark wrote:
I think Ryougi's top speed is Mach 1 or so

feh. my razor reaches Mach 3...


but honestly, I'm wondering how strong Sacchin could have gotten if she wasn't killed and fully matured as a vampire.she was somewhat special...but enough about speculations. I'd hesitate between Arcueid and Kouma. why him? why not?
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Shouldn't shiki be the strongest?

Unread post by james-skarz » February 19th, 2008, 7:40 am

Clearly not knowing alot about what I am talking about, I still think Shiki's (in terms of his actual power - not speed, strength, etc.) is the strongest Type-Moon character in existence,
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, due to the fact that he can deny an object/person's/"thing's" meaning of existence. If anyone wants to argue, the way that I see shiki's ability (from simply reading Tsukihime) is that he destroys an objects core of existence, in effect their meaning of existence, thus denying the concept of their very existence. It's like taking a ball in a box, and then removing it from the box - because the ball no longer has a reason to be in said box. Yes it's a confusing analogy.

Also, just as a side note, did anyone notice how Shirou's ability allowed him to bring things that shouldn't exist into reality while Shiki's ability allowed him to make it so that objects that should exist in reality become something that shouldn't?

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Re: Shouldn't shiki be the strongest?

Unread post by Kansho » February 19th, 2008, 11:44 am

No.
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Unread post by serialies » February 20th, 2008, 3:12 am

hmm kansho beat me to it

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Unread post by zweiterversuch » February 20th, 2008, 4:34 pm

mmm

I have it
the strongest character is Lancelot with a nuclear bomb as Noble Phantom.
wait... I have just read Bazzete ( the Rocky balboa of Type-moon) is able to fight with Saber (obviously without her NP) but they are equall
so If Shiki is a the human Kouma (a killing mashine) why can't he kill any Servants?


and who is Type-saturn?
Isn't there only type Mercury also ORT? in South America ( I think Amazonas)
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Unread post by Kansho » February 20th, 2008, 8:30 pm

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Unread post by Inverted » February 21st, 2008, 11:15 am

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Unread post by serialies » February 21st, 2008, 1:14 pm

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Unread post by Inverted » February 21st, 2008, 1:43 pm

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