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AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 14th, 2009, 9:41 am

Just how much of a difference is there between them? Imean, sure, AoG magecraft uses Divine Words for activation instead of self-hypnosis(for circuits to work) and it's a load stronger, but just HOW MUCH have the concepts behind magecraft changed?

A guy in a different forum made the comparison to the difference between quantum physics and physics. Just how good is that comparison IYO?
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby XgenAdam » July 23rd, 2009, 11:25 pm

what does AoG stand for? and what kind of magic is it?

also where has it been mentioned?
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby abscess » July 24th, 2009, 5:11 am

Age of Gods.
That said, I don't know. Probably Nasu never said explicitly. And using a physics and quantum physics comparison, I'm not sure either; I'm not comfortable with that comparison, to say the least....
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 24th, 2009, 7:07 am

I am not even sure I firmly grasp all the theories related to quantum physics, let alone comparing and contrasting the differences between physics/quantum physics, and ancient/modern sorcery. According to Fuyuki ancient sorcery is more powerful due to the fact that during the Age of Gods, humans and Gods mingled more freely, which led to humans having a better awareness of divine mysteries. The current magi are more secluded, thus "fallen" and lost the knowledge of the ancients. A better analogy would simply be a dying art/craft.
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby Mazyrian » July 25th, 2009, 2:03 pm

I remember that another difference is that now the words for the spells are just self-hypnosis and have no real power, while in AoG words themselves had power.
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 25th, 2009, 5:11 pm

Exactly that. I am wondering if AoG magecraft had any more differences than just method of spell casting, like different concepts or theories.
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 26th, 2009, 12:08 am

Mazyrian wrote:I remember that another difference is that now the words for the spells are just self-hypnosis and have no real power, while in AoG words themselves had power.


Interesting... so what you are saying is that, someone with 0 active circuit but knows divine language can rain destruction with rank A spells?
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 26th, 2009, 2:51 pm

In AoG, everyone had 0 circuits. Circuits were developed later to use mana for spells due to the loss of Divine Words. Divine Words is a totally different system of magecraft, separate from Magic Circuits.
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 27th, 2009, 1:28 am

Can I ask where did you get this from? Source on this statement?
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 28th, 2009, 4:06 pm

Thaumaturgy from the age of the gods when words themselves carried power, whereas modern incantations are just means of self-hypnosis to work one's circuits.

Since the words are the ones that carry out the operation, circuits are simply not needed.

Sure, the circuits on the soul were always present(souls don't change that much over time) but nature has a habit of excluding things that are unnecessary functions. The physical manifestation probably appeared later, due to evolution working it's magic.

Also, this thread's purpose is speculation, not throwing facts around. Or rather, we've got no facts, so we need to use our brains for a change and figure out plausible theories. It's easy to push canon info into someone's nose in reply to things, but try to use your imagination and common sense, will ya.
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 28th, 2009, 7:01 pm

Speculations and "common sense" frequently lead to unnecessary arguments and flame-wars, because "everyone deserves his/her own opinion". Nothing besides the canon can silence the most stubborn debaters. My policy is either the opposing sides provide canon evidence to backup their arguments, or what they have stated simply do not contribute anything to the topic. Shoving canon in people's faces and providing explanations when necessary is simply the most efficient way to do things around here in my opinion (sadly sometimes people even refuse to accept canon, but those instances are rare).
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 28th, 2009, 8:23 pm

We DON'T have canon about AoG magery. That's what fanon is for.
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Re: AoG Magecraft and modern magecraft

Unread postby Xanathos » August 7th, 2009, 6:37 am

Incantation variations

High-Speed Divine Words

高速神言 - Kousoku Shingon

The ability to activate thaumaturgy without the connection of incantations/circuits. The words from the era of gods, back when words played a heavy role in the actualization of mysteries. As a result, pronunciation is impossible by modern humans.

Incantations necessary for the connection of oneself to the outside world don't have to be used. To the person with divine words, spellcasting isn't so much an incantation, but a direct command.

At Caster's level of Divine Words, high thaumaturgy can be cast in a single action.

(Probably the words themselves ARE the thaumaturgy, not just the process.)

At Caster's level of Divine Words, high thaumaturgy can be cast in a single action.

(Probably the words themselves ARE the thaumaturgy, not just the process.)


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