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Unread postby VoidAvesta » December 25th, 2008, 8:48 am

Raitei wrote:are vampires afraid against sweets?
hint : there's at least one sweet tooth in the church, a complete opposite to the garlic lover kirei-san.


Its Caren, right?
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Unread postby solopy567 » December 26th, 2008, 10:24 pm

Oh oh oh i know another more!

Both have a best friend that is mildly related to the real story (Arihiko & Issei)


Both have female friends that turn bad at some point and then regain their sanity (Sion & Sakura)
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Unread postby hoennsquall » December 28th, 2008, 5:12 am

both have heroines that were raped in their childhood

both had their schools become battlegrounds at some point

both main heroines leave in their True endings

both protagonists almost died in their childhood

both protagonists have stepsisters who like 'em
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Unread postby Kid-Wolf » December 28th, 2008, 10:12 pm

hoennsquall wrote:both protagonists have stepsisters who like 'em


And don't forget that both guys are actually the older sibling.

Ok I think I got one.

Both stories have a character you just want to hate with or without a reason.
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Unread postby NonExistence » December 28th, 2008, 10:38 pm

Kid-Wolf wrote:
hoennsquall wrote:both protagonists have stepsisters who like 'em


And don't forget that both guys are actually the older sibling.


that one's debatable...

going on (i'm surprised that some of these haven't been mentioned):

-both are VERY long
-both are epic
-both have characters whose un-epic-ness contributes to the overall epic-ness of the main character
-both have fighting games made after them
-both have someone who loves the main character but never gets it on with them (isn't it sad, sacchin?)
-both have multiple famous lines that have been repeatedly abused
-both are the centres of this forum.
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Unread postby that one guy » December 28th, 2008, 10:41 pm

I might regreat asking this, but who isn't epic in some way shape or form in Tsukihime that matters?(That means no Arihiko)
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Unread postby Kid-Wolf » December 29th, 2008, 12:05 am

that one guy wrote:I might regreat asking this, but who isn't epic in some way shape or form in Tsukihime that matters?(That means no Arihiko)


My guess for that SHIKI.
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Unread postby that one guy » December 29th, 2008, 1:12 am

SHIKI? I think not.
*points to Kohaku route*
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Unread postby kensain » January 15th, 2009, 3:47 pm

-Both protagonist's strongest attacks are a simultaneous series (paradox, anyone?) of slashes at breakneck speeds that aim for critical points. (nine lives even aims for the testicles. THE TESTICLES, WTF!?)

-Both have died once in their childhood (in shirous case it was probably figurative only); this later is the source of their power.

-Both of their powers kill them over time.

-Both of their self-murderous alternate selves appear unbeatable and completely superior at first, but on examination are weaker thanks to their lack of something. ( nine lives revolver/belief in morals for archer, mystic eyes for nanaya)

-Both of them have an epic role in the future. (counterguardian and god of death, lol.)

-Both of them have semi-real delusions, especially in their dreams.

-Both of their biological parents die, then both of their adoptive parents die.

-Both have a HAX-up skill with nearly no limit in power. Despite this, both characters are insanely fragile compared to their foes.

-Both sequels involve a wicked hot threesome, and a time loop in an impossible perfect world, originating from a previously invisible plot drive character.

-Both have a nearly unkillable, wordless antagonist, with a insanely muscled body, with has no real other weapon. (kouma and zerker)

-Both of the "mastermind villains" are extremely similar them in a critical way. (SHIKI grew up with shiki, is the "real" tohno shiki, Kirei...*points at heavens feel's satire of MGS4, brawling match.)

-Both would have lived entirely normal lives if it wasn't for their adoptive parents.

-Both have a prototype story. (fate origins and rakkyo)

-Both have very unstable mental conditions. (remember the end where Shirou's brain popped, heheh.)

-Both households have a far-too-happy rape victim who plans to murder everyone else in the household except the main character, whom she has loved for a long time. [Semi applicaple to sachhin, I guess. Just with a bite instead of rape]

-Both of their trademark weapons are intimately tied to their past/future.
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Unread postby Kid-Wolf » January 15th, 2009, 4:27 pm

kensain wrote:-Both households have a far-too-happy rape victim who plans to murder everyone else in the household except the main character, whom she has loved for a long time. [Semi applicaple to sachhin, I guess. Just with a bite instead of rape]


huh I see that more with Kohaku then with Sacchin though. In any case I think if Sacchin had the chance she would rape Tohno Shiki. Speaking of which that would probably go the same with Rider and Shirou.
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Unread postby abscess » January 15th, 2009, 7:48 pm

@Kensain: I agree with all of what you said, except these two points:
-Both would have lived entirely normal lives if it wasn't for their adoptive parents

Actually, supposing that the Raid in the Nanaya village didn't happen, Shiki would have lived a monster-killer life, that's hardly what I would call normal.
As for Shirou, he most likely would have lived a common normal life, probably without ever realizing he had a Reality Marble. That makes me wonder though, who the hell were his real parents?! Isn't it just odd for someone not from a magus family to have such a weird ability? Did it just conveniently happen to pop-up when he was born or something? Anyway, that probably counts as off-topic, so I'll leave at that.
-Both households have a far-too-happy rape victim who plans to murder everyone else in the household except the main character, whom she has loved for a long time. [Semi applicaple to sachhin, I guess. Just with a bite instead of rape]

I fail to see how Sacchin would count as a rape victim in the most common meaning of the word (which I suppose that is the one you are using). She wasn't sexually abused when she became a vampire (at least not that we know of). Either way, she isn't the happy type as Kohaku and Sakura; more like the brooding type I guess.
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Unread postby hoennsquall » January 16th, 2009, 10:57 am

i seem to remember from somewhere that Kiri plans on raising Shiki normally......
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Unread postby nanaya_shinya » January 16th, 2009, 11:35 am

Shiki was taught enough only to protect himself. He was not supposed to be Kiri's heir as the next Nanaya Family's Head.
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Unread postby Lil Sister » January 16th, 2009, 12:35 pm

Both characters are much loved by Typemoon fans compared to the other character who has his name starting with a Shi(nji) like a main character.
Both characters encounter a loli character who miraculously is older than them.
Both characters use some form of sharpened weapons
Both characters has a friend that kind of looks like the other. For Shiki it was Arihiko and for Shirou that class president guy living in a temple.
Both characters express their poor tastes in fashion by wearing the same clothes over and over
Both characters are humans who fight superior creatures while disregarding any common sense to wear a armor of sorts unlike a normal human being
Both characters never reject women coming onto them
'' are chick magnets
'' are never hit on by men
'' never speak about their family of origin nor is it clearly know who their real mommy and daddy are
'' learns that they have a haxxor ability within them
'' are never minding that some of their bed time partners aren't humans
'' are acquainted with a girl(or girls) who know the Kung Fu
'' would make horrid boyfriends
'' Are jobless but manages a living
'' Has adopted a family name while they were young
'' Was adopted by a semi crazy man
'' Has to deal with women fighting over them
'' Is acquainted with members of the Church of whom has little regard to the 10 Commandments (In particular Thou shalt love Thy neighbour)
'' Never says no to sex
'' Has cooked for a inhuman creature and proved to be great chefs capable of satisfying tongues of less human friends and alike.
'' Could easily inherit the business as top dog when Hugh Hefner kicks the bucket without an heir
'' Are typical good boys who don't smoke or drink and doesn't touch drugs
'' Has the similar build and almost the same chest size with Shirou being marginally bigger than Shiki
'' Seems to be trying to make a hidden statement that strongest men come from Japan only?
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Unread postby nanaya_shinya » January 16th, 2009, 12:43 pm

Lil Sister wrote:'' Seems to be trying to make a hidden statement that strongest men come from Japan only?


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Unread postby Ciel » January 16th, 2009, 1:25 pm

'' Are jobless but manages a living

shirou works part time, and he also apparently has the mafia looking after him as far as i remember the intro of the game.

shiki's just from a rich family.
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Unread postby that one guy » January 16th, 2009, 9:43 pm

Ciel is correct. Shirou works part time for a moving company and is friends with the Fujimura family, who are a part of the Yakuza. Rather important, IIRC.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » January 17th, 2009, 9:51 am

...

There is nothing left much to say but:


Shirou and Shiki hate their other "selves"

(Shiki hates Nanaya.)

(Shirou hates Archer.)


they were first friends with somebody who would be become a enemy later in the game.


eh...and...

both of the main heroins are blond.

1 of the heroines is a sex goddess (sakura ciel)

1 of the heroines has a "dark side" that could obliverate any other character with a single blow.
(Arc / Dark saber)

1 of the heroines doesn't wear underwear.
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Unread postby hoennsquall » January 17th, 2009, 11:38 am

both have battles in a park

both have characters who lived in the Middle Ages

both have rich girl tsunderes

both of the above tsunderes dislike their bust size

both have characters who have Magical Girl forms XD
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » January 17th, 2009, 12:59 pm

hoennsquall wrote:both of the above tsunderes dislike their bust size




Really?

but Tohsaka is way better off than Akiha and Saber...why would she dislike it?
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