Archer or Nanaya (Spoilers)

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GARcher or the shiKILLER

Archer
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39%
Nanaya
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61%
 
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Unread post by Watashimo » December 30th, 2008, 4:27 pm

negum wrote:
Watashimo wrote: Archer: Trace on. *Rho Aius BLOCK* + *ANYHAXXORSWORD Ka-Stab*
Doesn't Rho Aius only work against projectiles?
And can't Nanaya technically "kill" the weapons Archer creates?
Shhhhh. Nobody knows that. Lol
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Unread post by NanatsuYa » December 30th, 2008, 5:29 pm

If we go by that, wouldn't Archer's projected weapons be easier to "kill" since they're (*only) copies?

*Maybe, but pretty powerful copies none the less^^
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Unread post by spathi » December 30th, 2008, 5:32 pm

NanatsuYa wrote:If we go by that, wouldn't Archer's projected weapons be easier to "kill" since they're (*only) copies?

*Maybe, but pretty powerful copies none the less^^
yeah but he will still die, forgot where it was said (beasts lair probably) but shiki can't kill a Noble Phantasm without having his head assplode

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Unread post by kaerstan01 » December 30th, 2008, 7:23 pm

spathi wrote:
NanatsuYa wrote:If we go by that, wouldn't Archer's projected weapons be easier to "kill" since they're (*only) copies?

*Maybe, but pretty powerful copies none the less^^
yeah but he will still die, forgot where it was said (beasts lair probably) but shiki can't kill a Noble Phantasm without having his head assplode
NatsuYa was only talking about those projected weapons that archer would produce(yah, and their killable by shiki), he wont die because those projected swords isn't even part of a noble phantasm... and if iirc, archer doesn't even have a Noble Phantasm (but he have that "reality marble" called UBW)>,>

and about killing a Noble Phantasm, same goes for killing a servant. if he could understand and "kill" them, its either shiki's brain explodes in the process or be caught in a so called mana bomb(caused by a high concentration of internalized mana) if he even manages to killing a servant/Noble Phatasm.

so says Nasu, so says all fsn fans

i hate to admit it but archer would easily kick nanaya's butt anytime, power level wise(a geeky/nerdy point of view)

but still, shiki(main guy) would PWN archer(just a supporting character :P ) "plot wise" lol :wink:
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Unread post by Xamdou » December 31st, 2008, 2:02 am

If Archer use Excalibur or any other ranged NP wont Nanaya die before he can outrun it?
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Unread post by Undream » January 2nd, 2009, 6:01 am

Ultimately, it depends on who is the main character...
All other things are meaningless...
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They must realize that it was impossible to succeed yet
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Unread post by spathi » January 2nd, 2009, 12:56 pm

Undream wrote:Ultimately, it depends on who is the main character...
All other things are meaningless...
win

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Unread post by NanatsuYa » January 2nd, 2009, 1:33 pm

Plot armor ftw :D
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Unread post by thisoneguy » January 6th, 2009, 12:54 pm

I think Shiki could definitely learn the concept of existence of the Servants if he's ever had the chance to meet one. It may not even be hard, he's just never meet one.

Shiki's eyes and ungodly speed against a mighty glacier with 9 lives like Berserker should be cake for Shiki. Aginst Archer it's hard to say though. UBW not only can kill Shiki but might make it hard to land a hit as well. Shiki can kill the weapons (the power of the weapon is irreverent) but I say that it can still be anyone's game, assuming Archer can get UBW off. But since I think Shiki is so much more kickass, I'll have to go with him. They both have huge potential but I'll go with Shiki potential-wise though, his head might explode but, following the shonen genre, it might not.

What different about the death of Servants anyway? Maybe because when the Servants "die" they simply go back to the "Hall of Heroes" and therefore their existence is different? To be killed by Shiki's eyes is to lose one's existence after all and therefore they can't go back to that place.

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Unread post by Mazyrian » January 6th, 2009, 2:40 pm

The Servants are copies of the records in the Throne; the records themselves are never affected, and if the Servant dies (of any way) it disappears. They are spiritual beings, though, and that may make them harder (and riskier) for Shiki to understand their dead.
About Shiki killing weapons, I think Nasu said that Shiki would win against Shirou because he would keep killing his weapons, though that would end up killing himself.
Also, Berserker is not slow; actually is one of the faster Servant IIRC (in HF
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Unread post by kaerstan01 » January 6th, 2009, 3:41 pm

Mazyrian wrote:The Servants are copies of the records in the Throne; the records themselves are never affected, and if the Servant dies (of any way) it disappears. They are spiritual beings, though, and that may make them harder (and riskier) for Shiki to understand their dead.
About Shiki killing weapons, I think Nasu said that Shiki would win against Shirou because he would keep killing his weapons, though that would end up killing himself.
Also, Berserker is not slow; actually is one of the faster Servant IIRC (in HF
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me think it wazzzz... mach 8 or something (yah, i know its BS, lol :P)

being a main guy, shiki would dissect him into 17 pcs(plot hax), but then, PL fanboys would go OMGWTFBBQnuts over this kind of thing :lol: :lol:
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Unread post by Xanathos » January 11th, 2009, 4:58 am

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Unread post by NanatsuYa » January 11th, 2009, 8:43 am

Xanathos wrote:
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Then I have a question.
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Just asking :wink:
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Unread post by solopy567 » January 11th, 2009, 1:06 pm

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Shiki's eyes cannot kill something that does not exist. This is only possible when they are in the Throne of Heroes, but when they are summoned, they become something like familiars correct? And Shiki can kill familiars.

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Unread post by Mazyrian » January 11th, 2009, 3:53 pm

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Unread post by Xanathos » January 11th, 2009, 4:32 pm

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Unread post by Mazyrian » January 12th, 2009, 1:11 am

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Unread post by Xanathos » January 12th, 2009, 2:33 am

Ask Raitei he would know. And I can't really continue this arguement since I always thought that shiki could kill servants in the first place. It was only after I looked at the evidence that I began to suspect otherwise. And can't argue for a side I don't support forever.

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Unread post by Mazyrian » January 12th, 2009, 2:07 pm

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