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Dead Apostle number XX: Yumizuka Satsuki [Spoilers?]

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 10:26 am
by NanatsuYa
Since Sacchin was a pretty powerful vampire (she could use her own Reality Marble, which isn't something everyone can do) there were some talk about her being counted as one of the Dead Apostles.

If that was the case, would she be "just another Dead Apostle" or as high as one of the 27 Ancestors?
If she was one of the Dead Apostle Ancestors, would she recieve a number or remain unnumbered (since her parent vampire was Roa, which had no number)? Ortenrosse appointed Lourve as *the new number 10", so maybe she'd get a number too?
Would she get a nickname as the other Dead Apostles (Nero was Nrvnqsr's nickname from the church, and Roa's names, "the Serpent of Akasha" and "the Infinate Reincarnator" were also nicknames given by other people and not by themselves) In that case, what would be suitable? Sacchin maybe? =P

Maybe she'll star in (the yet unconfirmed) tsukihime 2 as a independent Dead Apostle crossing paths with Satsujinki, since she dissappeared in Arc's route and was never seen again (hinting that she was either killed or turned into a vampire). Maybe she'll be a new heroine in Tsukihime 2 too? =P

Post your thoughts^^

Re: Dead Apostle number XX: Yumizuka Satsuki [Spoilers?]

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 2:30 pm
by Ryougi07
NanatsuYa wrote: Maybe she'll be a new heroine in Tsukihime 2 too? =P


Dead Apostle as heroine, that I gotta see, BTW, what does her Reality Marble do anyway?

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 2:35 pm
by nanaya_shinya
Sacchin's reality marble is called "Depletion Garden" or something like that, supposedly drains something out of her victim...

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 3:44 pm
by uriel
nanaya_shinya wrote:Sacchin's reality marble is called "Depletion Garden" or something like that, supposedly drains something out of her victim...


I think mana, but I'm not sure

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 3:44 pm
by metal_cocoabo
NanatsuYa wrote:Maybe she'll star in (the yet unconfirmed) tsukihime 2 as a independent Dead Apostle crossing paths with Satsujinki, since she dissappeared in Arc's route and was never seen again (hinting that she was either killed or turned into a vampire).


If that's the case, then I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the Vampire Arihiko story. :lol:

IIRC, he disappears and is also never seen again in Kohaku's route.

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 3:50 pm
by Kid-Wolf
Well actually Arihiko's dipsapearance in Kohaku's route is basically mentioned. I mean he decided to skip school to act as a tourist somewhere else.

As for Sacchin, well my theory is she had magic circuts to begin wit, but the family isn't aware of this at all. With that it's pretty much the only reason why she was able t pull off a Reality Marble in the first place. Although if she knew about her magic circuts and trained them before she was a vampire, she probablly would of had a bit more control on when to execute her reality marble.

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 4:15 pm
by abscess
As far as I know, the Depletion Garden Reality Marble isn't canon, that is, it wasn't mentioned directly by a Type-Moon source.

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 4:21 pm
by Tash
abscess wrote:As far as I know, the Depletion Garden Reality Marble isn't canon, that is, it wasn't mentioned directly by a Type-Moon source.
Melty Blood isn't a Type-Moon source?

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 4:49 pm
by Kid-Wolf
Actually the talk of her reality marble was actually in Plus+Disk in Talk2. The part where Sacchin was talking to Neco-Arc about what her route was supposed to be like, more or less actually. I mean they called the last part of her story the Depletion Garden, so that's where te reality marble came to be... I think.

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 4:52 pm
by NanatsuYa
Depletion garden sucks up all mana within it's effective radius (it was converted to damage in Melty Blood) basically rendering all magic attacks useless (thus making her a considerably formidable opponent, especially for magicians). But since she never had any training to begin with, she probably can't use it's full pontential.

Then in Tsukihime 2, Sacchin has become a fearsome Dead Apostle, killing everything in her wake, humans, magicians and Dead Apostles alike. She and Satsujinki face off inside the Depletion Garden in the final battle, ending with the tearful truth being revealed. Satsujinki leaves her there, and later she shields him from (the last boss) the Dark Six's attack resulting in the end of her own life.

Just made it up, but it sounds nice and all^^ As for the Arihiko route, it sounds like fun but it'll probably never happen. :/

But it wouldn't surprise me if Aoko Aozaki would me a heroine in TH2 (if it is released). It is actually hinted (in Melty Blood ReACT) that Shiki will meet Aoko once more (when you lose with Shiki against Aoko, she says: "Looks like it'll be a long time before you become a fine adult, but I'll be looking forward into meeting you again on the countryside" or something similar to that).

In any case, a Tsukihime 2 will be inevitable, cus the story is not yet over! =D

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 5:05 pm
by Kid-Wolf
Huh, if that's the case then it's possible that if they did Sacchin's Endings they could still do Tsukihime 2 in a snese of that's the case. Never the less she was originally intended to be the third Near Side storyline though. Besides hearing about how Shiki as Sasujinki faces off Sacchin only means that he did something to make her go out of controll. Then again it could also work with Arc's True ending as well there since Sacchin's name could come up again in passing and he had to take care of unfinished business with her.

Well that's my take on your idea there.

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 8:57 pm
by Belzera
Wait if Delepetion Garden Sucks Up Mana then wouldn't it make a good weapon against Servants too? I know its a bit of topic but its bugging me lol

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 9:19 pm
by NanatsuYa
Belzera wrote:Wait if Delepetion Garden Sucks Up Mana then wouldn't it make a good weapon against Servants too? I know its a bit of topic but its bugging me lol


Servants would probably hit the ground in almost an instant inside the Depletion Garden^^ Since they need mana to survive, that Reality Marble would be like trying to breathe in space, or something like that^^

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 9:41 pm
by Belzera
NanatsuYa wrote:
Belzera wrote:Wait if Delepetion Garden Sucks Up Mana then wouldn't it make a good weapon against Servants too? I know its a bit of topic but its bugging me lol


Servants would probably hit the ground in almost an instant inside the Depletion Garden^^ Since they need mana to survive, that Reality Marble would be like trying to breathe in space, or something like that^^

*Image of Berserker floating through space pops to mind*

Hmm, thats kinda impressive

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 9:51 pm
by NanatsuYa
Belzera wrote:
NanatsuYa wrote:
Belzera wrote:Wait if Delepetion Garden Sucks Up Mana then wouldn't it make a good weapon against Servants too? I know its a bit of topic but its bugging me lol


Servants would probably hit the ground in almost an instant inside the Depletion Garden^^ Since they need mana to survive, that Reality Marble would be like trying to breathe in space, or something like that^^

*Image of Berserker floating through space pops to mind*

Hmm, thats kinda impressive


Then imagine him becoming a glowing meteroite as he enters the atmosphere, as he burns up with a nice crimson flame xD

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 10:13 pm
by AlinSabel
Bah. You guys need to read stuff like this and this.

Depletion Garden would clear the area of mana, meaning mages cannot draw energy from the environment, but they can still use stored energy. Servants don't always draw from the surroundings...

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 10:29 pm
by NanatsuYa
AlinSabel wrote:Bah. You guys need to read stuff like this and this.

Depletion Garden would clear the area of mana, meaning mages cannot draw energy from the environment, but they can still use stored energy. Servants don't always draw from the surroundings...


Still, if that stored power runs out, they're pretty screwed =P So a lasting battle would be out of the question.
But since Satsujinki isn't a magician, he will be almost unaffected by it^^

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 11:00 pm
by AlinSabel
Well... Saber lasted a very long time without getting energy fed into her. >_>;;

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 11:02 pm
by Belzera
AlinSabel wrote:Bah. You guys need to read stuff like this and this.

Depletion Garden would clear the area of mana, meaning mages cannot draw energy from the environment, but they can still use stored energy. Servants don't always draw from the surroundings...

Don't servants Draw it from their masters? which is why Berserker is a very dangerous Servant I think, obviously I may be wrong

And I don't completely understand Prana from that

So prana is both Mana and Od, the MAgic Circuits transfer Mana into Od??

And Holy cow [Some F/SN HF spoils kinda]
Matou Sakura: Normally, she should have about the same amount as Rin, but the Worms in her body are constantly consuming her energy. When connected to the Holy Grail and Angra Mainyu, the energy inside her body is equivalent to 1,000,000,000,000 units of prana, already on the level of a Counter Guardian.

Thats Insane


and I lol'ed at Ciel having the amount of Od same as Riders Pegasus

Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2008, 11:02 pm
by NanatsuYa
AlinSabel wrote:Well... Saber lasted a very long time without getting energy fed into her. >_>;;


Wasn't that because she could regain mana by resting between the battles?