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Shiki plus Rule Breaker equals?

Unread postby hoennsquall » July 21st, 2008, 9:59 am

Shiki can trace lines of death as long as he wields a sharp object right?

Rule Breaker is a sharp weapon that doesn't do physical damage...

now, question is, can Shiki trace those lines of death if he wields Rule Breaker....

been bugging for a while now....
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Unread postby ayadew » July 21st, 2008, 10:18 am

I'm sure Rule Breaker being unable to do "physical damage" would equal to it not being very sharp... because it does exist as a physical object?
Anyway, that's quite a stupid thing to go wondering about, since noone knows how much force you actually need to inflict damage on lines of death. =p
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Unread postby hoennsquall » July 21st, 2008, 10:23 am

i see, but since a friend of mine told me that, it's been stuck to my head....
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Unread postby Einherjar » July 21st, 2008, 12:55 pm

Something's bugging me for an while too. I mean, if Shiki's eyes are what kills, then he doesn't need to be the person that cut it, as long as he sees it. (?)
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Re: Shiki plus Rule Breaker equals?

Unread postby Mazyrian » July 21st, 2008, 1:48 pm

hoennsquall wrote:Shiki can trace lines of death as long as he wields a sharp object right?

Rule Breaker is a sharp weapon that doesn't do physical damage...

now, question is, can Shiki trace those lines of death if he wields Rule Breaker....

been bugging for a while now....


I think Rule Breaker does physical damage; IIRC the description says that it does the damage a normal knife would do

Einherjar wrote:Something's bugging me for an while too. I mean, if Shiki's eyes are what kills, then he doesn't need to be the person that cut it, as long as he sees it. (?)


No, only the person with the eyes can cut the lines; interacting with the lines is part of the ability of the eyes (and I think that he must be touching the object that cuts it, so he can't, for example, fire an arrow)
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Unread postby feuhrer » July 21st, 2008, 2:24 pm

Shiki can trace lines of death as long as he wields a sharp object right?

Rule Breaker is a sharp weapon that doesn't do physical damage...

now, question is, can Shiki trace those lines of death if he wields Rule Breaker....

been bugging for a while now....


In a bad end of fate route, caster cut shirou arm whit rule Breaker when u choose to go fight to Ryūdōji instead rest. Or am I wrong?


the question should be.... shiki + Rule Breaker = kill servants?
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Unread postby Raitei » July 21st, 2008, 2:45 pm

feuhrer wrote:the question should be.... shiki + Rule Breaker = kill servants?
that doesn't really matter. as long as shiki's eyes cannot comprehend the "dots" of servants, it's already determined no matter what kind of weapon he holds. :P
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Re: Shiki plus Rule Breaker equals?

Unread postby Einherjar » July 21st, 2008, 4:20 pm

Mazyrian wrote:
Einherjar wrote:Something's bugging me for an while too. I mean, if Shiki's eyes are what kills, then he doesn't need to be the person that cut it, as long as he sees it. (?)


No, only the person with the eyes can cut the lines; interacting with the lines is part of the ability of the eyes (and I think that he must be touching the object that cuts it, so he can't, for example, fire an arrow)

That's what I thought too. There are no logical explanations behind it? (TYPE-MOON always have...)
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Unread postby Mazyrian » July 22nd, 2008, 1:15 am

What I think it happens is that the eyes don't give the ability to see lines and dots that already exist, but give the ability to kill, and the brain translates that ability as something more easily comprehensible, in this case, lines and dots that can be cutted and stabbed
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Unread postby Einherjar » July 22nd, 2008, 2:03 am

Mazyrian wrote:What I think it happens is that the eyes don't give the ability to see lines and dots that already exist, but give the ability to kill, and the brain translates that ability as something more easily comprehensible, in this case, lines and dots that can be cutted and stabbed

That's what I though too. I was thinking something more like the eye acknowledge the line being cut. By activating the eye, it doesn't modify your body so you can't kill.
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Unread postby abscess » July 22nd, 2008, 1:18 pm

There already is a thread discussing Shiki's freaky eyes in this forum:
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And as far as I know, someone who doesn't have the eyes of death perception can't interact with the lines or dots, so there is no real risk of someone other than Shiki cutting a line or stabbing a dot by accident. It has to be Shiki.
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