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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Atriel » June 25th, 2009, 7:06 pm

Noooo! ;_;
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But those are some fine points you do, some I don't see happening unless they are that much of a douchebag and look at it the most perverse way they can. Kohaku on the other hand... I fear the worst.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby abscess » June 25th, 2009, 10:26 pm

Atriel wrote:Noooo! ;_;
No abscess, we must believe! If we pray to Raptor Jesus, all will be well.

Sorry, I never went to church, so I don't know how to pray properly ;)
But I can still hope that Raptor Jesus will heed this lowly, unbaptized bastard!............. right?

Anyway, Kotonoha, from Beast's Lair, provided this link with a little more info about the matter:
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/03/the ... -sent-out/

And, if the link fails to load, a snipet:
1.- Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave”, among others, are not allowed in the title or packaging
2.- HCG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game’s total HCG count (ie: can’t try to build this up by having lots of everyday life CG events)
3.- Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
4.- Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed
5.- New games that have already passed the review process by the EOCS are considered “safe” from this
6.- Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday
7.- New regulations starts 5th of June

And a brief analysis of mine:
1.- Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave”, among others, are not allowed in the title or packaging

I suppose that the kanji for "training" displayed has some connection with slavery or something like that and not "training" as in "martial arts training," right? Because if I'm wrong, banning that word seems more along the lines of banning something just for the sake of banning (which doesn't seem unlikely).

2.- HCG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game’s total HCG count (ie: can’t try to build this up by having lots of everyday life CG events)
3.- Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
4.- Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed

At first, point 2 makes it look like, as I've said before, most story-oriented games would be off-the-hook, but the third point makes it open to subjectivty. What would exactly be "promoting rape"? Having Kohaku be raped by Shiki (or SHIKI.... or Makihisa) in a feat of rage would be considered promotion? Probably not at first glance, but some may argue that just the fact that you are showing it could incite the spectator to act those scenarios (I'm sure you guys have already seen a stupid argument like this before, but sadly it doesn't make it any less valid in most places).

The 4th point, where it says "Anything that promotes [check the list], and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed" is also open to interpretation. Going back to the case where Kohaku gets raped by those three dudes, arguably, they all get something in return, whether it's sexual satisfaction or "supress their demonic blood" or whatever.

It all sounds stupid, I know; but from what I can tell, the ones promoting this "reform" appear to be from the conservative brass, and applying what I've seen happen here to the events there, those guys probably won't stop with just that and try to reform the industry to their liking, if not rip it apart sooner or later.

Oh, also, in totally unrelated news, Michael Jackson just died today. With David Carradine also dead, it feels like my childhood is dying!

Edit:
Now, in related news, check here. As I've said before, loli just isn't my thing, but all this seems terribly familiar to where I come from.
A snippet:
Also the 2ch thread for eroge industry people to post in has become quite depressing over the past days with posts where industry people talk about how they had their projects canceled or a writer who specializes in rape and sexual violence stories wondering how he can possibly find a new job now, and even one report from somebody who claims his friend at a small eroge development house had commited suicide as they were already doing pretty bad and now had to give up their next game project which meant the company had no chance of survival (info cannot be confirmed).

If that is true, the unemployment rate will see a slight increase.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Maes » June 25th, 2009, 11:05 pm

Maes wrote:um... yeah... RIP eroge.


I feel it's appropriate to quote myself now after the further developments.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby X-Calibar » June 25th, 2009, 11:10 pm

Update from the minori redirection page :
http://www.minori.ph/
Why minori blocking foreign accesses?


We are little perplexing now because we received a lot of response about this issue from foreign people.

Now we will tell you the short detail about the reason why blocking you to this website, because of we, all Japanese EROGE makers were facing at the problem, the crisis of "Freedom of speech".

Currently, The bill that allows to limiting the content (It is censorship. Isn't it?) to all EROGEs is being discussed in the Diet because intellectuals and politicians said "Japanese EROGE were being problem and troubled with the foreign country. Therefore we should make EROGE hidden away from foreign country, and also its content should be limited and censored".

Okay, now we trusted the word what they said at once. So we blocked you to make stay away from the trouble.

...Do you like that?

If not, please tell your idea directly to Japanese government and politicians.
(For example, you can write the letter to the administration of Japan directly from here.)
(If you can comprehend Japanese...There is information of the politicians in Japan.)

Otherwise, you just can talk your idea about this issue at your blog or other media to inform the existance of this problem to the public. It would be very helpful for us.

If you do so, we might be able to recover the "Freedom of speech" and the barricade lying in between us would be taken away.

Please help us.

We hope this separation would be only for short moment.

Sincerely.


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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby abscess » June 25th, 2009, 11:37 pm

Oh wow. Full with engrish for great justice!

Now, the question is, will we write those guys?
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Masterori » June 26th, 2009, 3:22 am

I agree R.I.P Eroge.. All hail feminist the second hidden hitler! Their next target is banning them from anime and manga too!! ( Not like this isn't already affecting them )

I don't think vampires are even allowed.. but a thought would people like rider count? she is supposedly a gorgon.

And what the hell on the list " school council " so they are banning school life.. ( This would hurt key bad when every single one of their games are school life.. I'm sure some others too. )

Even though not proven feminist has killed lives. ( physically though their " freedom speech " Heck WHERE ARE THE FREEDOM FOR ERO AUTHORS )

At least minori is showing some guts to somewhat protest. * Goes to link to help save the world of ero *
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Atriel » June 26th, 2009, 4:04 am

Are they giving out actual reasons? Because if not, this is just as retarded as blaming video games for violence and not the dumb or nutcase kid doing it.

Production and sale of rape games will be banned


I'll take is as games that focus on you going around raping. I don't give a damn, those probably suck anyway. But then the bastards will take it from there and everything else will get screwed (probably). If it only stays there, whatever.

Also, lulz engrish.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Chaos Chaud » June 26th, 2009, 12:25 pm

I feel like quoting myself

Chaos Chaud wrote:What the hell???? That's like 70% of the games out there , at least. The will even ban pregnancy? :lol: A game wants to be a little more realistic for a change (or not, really), and they ban it??? Well, i really don't care if they ban pregnancy but that made this stupidity be unbelievable. What's next? School scenes? :lol:


It was a joke, a damn joke, I wasn't serious!!!!! Give my school scenes back!!!!

At a near future, they'll want all manga series to have the Marvel Seal of Quality...

and at a distant future, a boy will look at a nekomimi maid pic and will ask "Father, what's that?" and his father will answer "In an age where people had free will, that ,my son, was pinnacle of human race..."

.......or something like that


Unfortunately, it seems my previsions are turning out to be true...
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby X-Calibar » June 27th, 2009, 8:28 pm

This sums up a worst case scenerio...
Nargrakhan wrote:Heh… well be aware that if Japan makes the export of eroge illegal, that's another easy charge witch hunters can slam someone with. It will be contraband to own eroge outside of Japan, because it's illegal to send it outside their borders. Also downloading something constitutes as "transportation" under current US laws. I'm sure the same applies to other similar nations (I know it does for Australia):

18 U.S.C. §§ 1461, 1462, 1463:
...it is a crime to mail or receive obscene materials, or to import or transport obscene materials across state lines, including by computer...


Might I add that obscenity laws ARE retroactive. Therefore what you already own has to be destroyed.

"More fuel for the fire," as they say. Might be time to look for a new hobby... I might move to France and crash at OLF's place. Hope he has room for 3 people. :wink:
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby abscess » June 30th, 2009, 10:25 am

@X-Calibar
That's a very, very sad scenario you have there.....

Read this. It's a further development on the issue.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Kid-Wolf » June 30th, 2009, 2:37 pm

At least there were a few people that said to leave anime out of all of this since what does it have to do with anything?
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby abscess » June 30th, 2009, 6:41 pm

A link I forgot to put here yester.... this morning:
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/29/vis ... gners-too/
It's disturbing to see eroge developers jumping in the "ban filthy gaijin IPs" bandwagon. I hope it doesn't grow any more. Also, I have a little something to say about Visual Antenna's rather interesting note they leave to us, banned lot:
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)」

What does it mean, I do not know exactly, but it appears to be something written in English that asks us to play only games made in our countries (dammit! my country doesn't produce any video games! I'm in trouble!)..... Or maybe they say play western-only video games? Anyway, that is the case if we "pray for the world peace".... I wonder, would world peace be disrupted (not that it exists anyways), if I play Japanese games like MGS or Lost Odyssey or any Final Fantasy games or only eroge? At least they put a smiley to tell us that they mean no harm! :roll:
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Atriel » June 30th, 2009, 6:58 pm

abscess wrote:
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)」


WTF?!

What if I pray for world destruction?

People should already know if an email contains child porn or not before they actually open it


What the hell, how do you do that?! Not that I receive any e-mail anyway...

Otherwise they could just think of all email as child porn


You need to be very fucked up to think that way.

tl;dr: Lots of bullshit but there are reasonable statements like the ones from Hosaka Nobuto.

I'll read the other one later, I have to go hunt something to eat.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Kid-Wolf » June 30th, 2009, 8:08 pm

And so this confirms that Japan wants to keep the good porn all to themselves it seems. I mean why else would they close this stuff off to the rest of the world anyways?
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Chaos Chaud » July 1st, 2009, 12:38 pm

The western companies are about to bankrupt so they are trying to keep eroge inside Japan :P
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby DarkFusion » July 2nd, 2009, 2:40 am

Well folks, in three months dark themed eroge will die. Read this:

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/07/01/new ... -schedule/

There's a mention that some guy's trying to get 30 companies to resist this, but in light of how complient all the eroge companies have been I don't have very high hopes. I just pray the Tsukihime remake will be able to make it through this.

Let's look at this as a lesson, everyone, and do everything we can to resist game banning in our own countries. Do it like how this guy describes:

http://www.screwattack.com/myvidsdontsu ... verThinker
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Atriel » July 2nd, 2009, 6:41 pm

This will be a heavy blow for me... dark themed VN are the ones I'm the most interested in. I can't even bitch about it now, I just... =<
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby abscess » July 3rd, 2009, 12:39 am

Atriel wrote:This will be a heavy blow for me... dark themed VN are the ones I'm the most interested in. I can't even bitch about it now, I just... =<

Well, we'll have to be content with doujins and free released ones......
dammit... EOCS makes Sacchin cry. Apparently she will never have her own route now...... ;_;
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby solopy567 » July 3rd, 2009, 1:48 am

For fuck's sake can't they leave eroge alone? The whole point of eroge is to have sex scenes in it! I dont care about catgirls too much, but they are really pushing it this time. I wanna find whoever filed the complaint against eroge, tie them to a chair and make them read 1000 eroges until they are mindfucked forever.
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Re: The end of catgirls?

Unread postby Uberoy » July 3rd, 2009, 10:16 am

solopy567 wrote:For fuck's sake can't they leave eroge alone?

Reminded of a certain Britney fan...

On topic: Yeah, this is definetely categorised in the section of sucks.
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