I'll come out and say that I mostly agree with what was already said by these guys.
I don't think that eroges are "great literary piece(s)", far
from them. If we are to talk about "great literary pieces", why not discuss Albert Camus, Tolstoy, Marcel Proust, Elena Poniatowska, Cormac McCarthy, etc., etc.? Hell! even Rius! Authors with works (be them essays, novels, short stories, whatever) that have withstood the passage of time while carrying a message or achieved to make something new and are not only mere entertainment, I think those are the ones to be classified as "literary pieces".
Most eroges are just that, "games" with porn (pr0n, for some...) and everything else is of little matter such as story, gameplay, music, characterization, even artwork sometimes... Examples:
X-Change, Bible Black, Discipline, True Love, Knights of Xentar, Runaway City,... the list goes on and on and on...
In other words, most eroges are a cheap excuse for porno
I think you (lolipedofin) are mistaking eroges
with visual novels
. Visual Novels don't always carry porn with them. I dare to say that very few eroges actually have anything interesting to say and so much less something really remarkable. That also applies to Visual Novels but in less measure. Now, going back to what I understand as "literary pieces", not all novels, eroges and visual novels can be said to be great in that matter; most are rehashes, retellings or mere ripoffs. Just because we like something so much doesn't mean it's "a great literary piece".
The very first visual novel I ever went through was not
an eroge, it had good artwork that wasn't too anime-styled (slightly realistic), the music was good (in some parts, mainly intro and credits), the story was great, the characters were believable... it was Snatcher
for the defunct Sega CD
, one of Hideo Kojima's master pieces. Snatcher
is the reason why I got into the visual novel/adventure novel genre, it has a good story that is entertaining and, to me, seems like it had something to say in its time. Later came Policenauts, but that's another story and I just can't read it.... it's still not translated....
visual novels, such as Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Utawarerumono, etc., are entertaining
and have an interesting narrated universe but
(and this is from my personal
point of view) they don't carry a message to make me say "shit! that's applyable to this or that situation where we are at!" or something like that.... dunno if I'm making much sense.... Well, they don't really carry much of a message or achieved something when being compared to major literary works such as Paradise Lost, Anna karenina, In Search of Lost Time, Siddartha, Thus Spoke Zarathustra...and yes, sadly that also applies to Snatcher, even if I like it o so much.
Eroges, such as Kanon, Air and whatever, I'll never be able to consider them "great literary pieces" (and I think they shouldn't). Their contribution to the entertainment media is notable, perhaps above average (I wouldn't really know) but in other aspects I consider them lacking at best. As I said before, even if we like something a lot, it doesn't mean it's really that great. It's better to say "hey! I like this kind of entertainment
" or something like that and not conceal it with labels of "literary greatness".
Sorry if I came out like an asshole. That's not my purpose at all. Most, if not all, of what I say is biased and I tried to make it apparent that this is my
way of seeing things. It's not my intention to make a person or a group of people angry and/or offended. I'm just stating my disagreement and give the explanaiton to why is it that I disagree. After all, isn't that the reson for this thread?
P.S: If we are to talk about cash spent/wasted in this "vice" (:lol:), then no, they are not