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Unread post by Tomoyo540 » January 27th, 2008, 7:44 pm

Whats an ero game with no ero scenes?

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Unread post by JimmyT64 » January 27th, 2008, 8:32 pm

A book with pictures :)
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Unread post by Catastrophe » January 27th, 2008, 11:16 pm

lolipedofin wrote:(...)Realta nua is another story though... I actually would prefer to play that one, because the alteration of the ero-scene looked better to me, at least in Fate route though(...)
i guess this might already be common knowledge but, that change was the same used for the anime right?

and i agree with you in everything 8)



and wen i read about that "installer" i was like "son of a......." :shock: . It was weird, really

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Unread post by Raven » January 28th, 2008, 1:19 am

drizzt_rocks wrote:
Raven wrote: Great story perhaps?

While it's in the same catalogue of eroge, Type-Moon's novel (and Minori as well) are closer to character driven romantic novels than to erotic games. Take the sex out of Fate/Stay Night or Tsukihime doesn't change anything, take the sex out of ... say, I gonna nurse you and there is pretty much nothing left. :wink:
Haha I know but wats a great story wifout teh sex :P (Altho nasu does write a few terrible h scenes >_<)
When you put it that way, it means the sex makes the story.

In this case, the sex just to spice thing up a little bit, it doesn't make the story.

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Unread post by uberlegen » January 28th, 2008, 1:33 am

Raven wrote:In this case, the sex just to spice thing up a little bit, it doesn't make the story.
Agreed. It would still be largely popular without the H-scenes. Many loved the F/SN anime, which obviously was TV-safe.

Though the sex in these games do indeed make it more fun. I tend to treat it like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. A very bloody, dramatic rainbow.
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Unread post by rubberchicken » January 28th, 2008, 4:40 am

Tomoyo540 wrote:Whats an ero game with no ero scenes?
Vastly improved, if the H-scenes have been written by Nasu.

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Unread post by shadow_Hiei » January 28th, 2008, 4:50 am

Nasu's sex scenes are unintentionally hilarious.

Mollusk sex FTW.

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Unread post by drizzt_rocks » January 28th, 2008, 5:09 am

If fate/stay night had been made non ero then it may not have become as popular as it is right now. Just looking at Key's visual novels Clannad doesnt seem to have done as well as Kanon and Air even though I think its better than those 2. In fact there was a massive dissapointment with the fans. So yes it is completely unnecessary but it is also an essential for a good story. (well we have made it an essential :P)

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Unread post by lolipedofin » January 28th, 2008, 6:46 am

While i'm fully male, and have to admit that i do like ero-stuff.... I still think it is something that should have never exist, i mean... i'll cry should it ever happened that porn, eroge etc. are banned from the entire world, still... i wouldn't like it should my future son is a porn lover... :?

And it's also about the image, i hate people who despises F/SN because it's an eroge, i have friends who mocked me being a sorry loser to ever play eroge... well, he partially said it as a joke... but he never take me seriously when i told him that F/SN is actually good stuff and have some breathtaking storyline, he only ever branded it as an eroge for geeky otaku, which obviously fumed me.

While the absence of the ero-scenes gonna spoil the commercial potential, i think the inclusion of ero-scenes will also spoil a good art. I believe that the move to exclude ero-scenes in VN is gonna be in benefit to the future of VN, in order to attract wider audience and convince the mass that VN is actually part of a good culture and an exciting literature. I actually have some respect toward Key for actually making CLANNAD an all age VN, as well their next VN which title i forgot.

And seriously guys... i'm still weirded out that the Japanese government haven't made any move toward the porn industry in Japan, at least limit and restrict their market and production a bit. Nowadays Japan is almost what come in mind when people are talking about sex and suicide, the latter followed closely by Australia i guess. The sex trend in Japan gotta change i tell you, poor kids living there don't have any clue about what is surrounding them.
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Unread post by Retsej » January 28th, 2008, 6:52 am

I much as I like ero scenes in fate, take them out of the story and you still don't affect it at all. But it doesn't make it better :O

Back on the Translation topic, will there be a flowchart or translated script? Not that I'd use it the first time, but I like to see all those tiger dojos.

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Unread post by Animatus » January 28th, 2008, 11:38 am

I, for one, love ero scenes. Not because I am a porn hound or anything, but because I believe it does add something to the story.

If the purpose of an eroge is leading the player through an emotional relationship with characters, particularly a romantic relationship, then it only stands to reason that the next evolution of that particular relationship is sexual expression. Sex is a very powerful action for people in general and can become a potent storytelling tool if used effectively: it can add motive to a characters behavior that would be difficult to explain any other way, and it can add another layer of depth to a relationship between characters, or even the relationship between the player and the character.

I'm not saying it's necessary for any visual novel to include ero scenes in order to be an effective game, there are plenty of excellent, moving games that don't contain any ero (Ever17, Narcissu, some Key titles, etc). However, there are games that use sexuality in such a way that the game would be at a detriment without it (Yume Miru Kusuri, Kana -Imouto-, School Days, etc).

In other words, unless you find sex as something dirty and morally incorrect (and if you are, you're doing it wrong, but that's another argument entirely and does not belong here), why not take the chance to enjoy a little ero?

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Unread post by serialies » January 28th, 2008, 12:26 pm

if the plot can still hold w/o the porn i see no problem
if the plot can hold w/porn i see no problem

its why i like f/sn, its good without the porn, its good with the porn, very hard to find visual novels like that...most of them rely to much on the ero-factors (eg ones when you aim to get the girl) or when they add ero it destroys the story/ruins the plot integrity (eg JUN GOD DAMN IT, ITS A SIN AGAINST NATURE)
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Unread post by Raitei » January 28th, 2008, 12:59 pm

err... guys, I don't want to ruin the excitement, but I think we've gone off topic here. I wanna remind you all, this thread is supposed to be about ubw translation, not ero vs non ero visual novels.

I remember someone out there have said that he'll decorate this thread with a padlock if we keep this up... :(

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Unread post by serialies » January 28th, 2008, 1:42 pm

eh? but we're talking about f/sn, which includes UBW, not to mention H-free and H-included is highly relevant to the upcomming UBW patch.
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Unread post by Raven » January 28th, 2008, 3:34 pm

Not to mentioned this whole discussion started since Message mentioned the non-eroge patch.

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Unread post by raidman565 » January 28th, 2008, 8:48 pm

Takajun wrote:1/28: Good news and bad news. Good news is that I spent all day today (12hours) and managed to translate over 150kb of text. Bad news is that it's not even 4% of total Heaven's Feel text...
About installer testing: pileload of bugs were catched and fixed over the past three weeks, but it still need to work out two bugs specific to UBW, and one fonts problem that exists for all projects.
Good work guys.

Does this mean only like 1 to 2 weeks left for the installer testing if things go good? :D

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Unread post by Message » January 28th, 2008, 9:15 pm

serialies wrote:eh? but we're talking about f/sn, which includes UBW, not to mention H-free and H-included is highly relevant to the upcomming UBW patch.
The upcoming patch will not have a non-ero version. As I said, I'm hoping to have that ready for the HF release. No guarantees.

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Unread post by Dtrini » January 28th, 2008, 9:28 pm

great non ero ubw patch would only delay. dont these guys put in enough time already

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Unread post by SPerson » January 29th, 2008, 6:46 am

drizzt_rocks wrote:If fate/stay night had been made non ero then it may not have become as popular as it is right now. Just looking at Key's visual novels Clannad doesnt seem to have done as well as Kanon and Air even though I think its better than those 2. In fact there was a massive dissapointment with the fans. So yes it is completely unnecessary but it is also an essential for a good story. (well we have made it an essential :P)
You gotta be kidding, try to clarify something before making any claims next time, will ya? Clannad is one the best selling game in Japan (of that genre of course), and I fail to see how it's essential for a good story, doesn't make any sense to me.

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Unread post by drizzt_rocks » January 29th, 2008, 7:39 am

Well I never said that it wasnt one of the most selling just saying that the fans were dissapointed and (despite wat Key says) forced Key to make a eroge sequel of sorts.

Also on topic: yay update on ubw installer and hf translation ... TJ is a machine that is all

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