Who you like more, Shiki or Shirou? [spoilers]

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Shiki or Shirou?

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Unread post by gexer64 » November 7th, 2008, 12:00 am

gexer64 wrote: You have to consider: which route shirou is fighting, is it tsukihime shiki or Satsujinki, is it a head on fight or is shiki ambushing, and terrain.

All in all it comes down to who hits first. From what I've seen, Shiki will probably abuse the terrain, hopping off of walls and stuff, and hit.
Also for those who thought shirou defeated beserker, he didn't. He defeated black beserker. The differencing being that black beserker is blind. He had three lives already gone, and was distracted by Illya.

Shirou does not fight like shiki does. Shirou over powers with his projection. Shiki uses his brain a bit more because he cannot do that. Reread Kohaku's route when Shiki fights Akiha.
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Unread post by kaerstan01 » November 7th, 2008, 5:48 am

gexer64 wrote:
gexer64 wrote: You have to consider: which route shirou is fighting, is it tsukihime shiki or Satsujinki, is it a head on fight or is shiki ambushing, and terrain.

All in all it comes down to who hits first. From what I've seen, Shiki will probably abuse the terrain, hopping off of walls and stuff, and hit.
Also for those who thought shirou defeated beserker, he didn't. He defeated black beserker. The differencing being that black beserker is blind. He had three lives already gone, and was distracted by Illya.

Shirou does not fight like shiki does. Shirou over powers with his projection. Shiki uses his brain a bit more because he cannot do that. Reread Kohaku's route when Shiki fights Akiha.
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shiki uses tactics in fighting coz he knows that will power or strength alone would only lead him to nothing, he doesn't let his emotions overcome him and uses logic to beat the game. heck, he knows that he is being overpowered but still pawn them using his brain. like arc said, his MEoDP is useless when he even cant land a hit.

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Unread post by Midoryu » November 7th, 2008, 5:34 pm

T-MOON COMPLEX X 01

Has your Shiki vs Shirou battle in there
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Unread post by Veldril » November 7th, 2008, 5:57 pm

Midoryu wrote:T-MOON COMPLEX X 01

Has your Shiki vs Shirou battle in there
It's a doujin so we can't really count that scene.

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Unread post by Rikh » November 7th, 2008, 9:32 pm

Veldril wrote:
Midoryu wrote:T-MOON COMPLEX X 01

Has your Shiki vs Shirou battle in there
It's a doujin so we can't really count that scene.
but its probably the most realistic it can get

Although HF shiro probably could beat shiki, He has shown the ability to
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Unread post by dead_lord_666 » November 7th, 2008, 11:02 pm

Shirou have my vote only for his performance in UBW and HF.

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Unread post by gexer64 » November 8th, 2008, 1:19 am

Rikh wrote:
Although HF shiro probably could beat shiki, He has shown the ability to
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But obviously
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The problem is, will Shiki get hit though. He is smart enough to retreat, and
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Unread post by gexer64 » November 8th, 2008, 9:58 pm

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Unread post by gexer64 » November 9th, 2008, 12:12 am

Whoops, double posted.....
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Unread post by shirou12 » November 9th, 2008, 3:19 am

well in my point of view,

Shirou = Archer while Shiki = Assassin,

So if shirou cant detect shiki at a right timing he will be killed, if shiki cant pull out strategies he will be killed. thats a good way to put it.

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Unread post by Gunbladeuser » November 9th, 2008, 10:57 am

I don't know how the discussion shifted from "Who do you like more?" to "Who is stronger in battle?", but...

I personally like Shirou more. Both have their advantages and disadvantages in battle, but I like Shirou's personality more, regardless of which route.
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Unread post by Undream » November 9th, 2008, 4:35 pm

Gunbladeuser wrote:I don't know how the discussion shifted from "Who do you like more?" to "Who is stronger in battle?", but...

I personally like Shirou more. Both have their advantages and disadvantages in battle, but I like Shirou's personality more, regardless of which route.
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I woudnt say philosophic, since it doesnt really do a good work at that. It might try, but it doesnt really succeed at it.
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They must realize that it was impossible to succeed yet
at the same time be capable of enduring patiently.
Is that... the story of a dream that shouldn't be waited upon?..."
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Unread post by BloodRivers » November 9th, 2008, 5:07 pm

I'm very much like Shirou, it's not even funny. I'm stubborn, won't give up and sometimes will even persist even in a situation I know is utterly hopeless. Not surprisingly, this stubbornness has cost me a few relationships. That aside, I'm definitely like Shirou when it comes to a fight - even in a situation I know I might get messed up, that doesn't detour me if I've got my back to the wall. And, if I had Shirou's ability, I'd probably follow his ideals pretty close to the letter.

That's probably the biggest attraction I had to F/SN, outside the great fantasy content, was the feeling that whenever I was faced with a dilemma (choice) it actually really felt like it was me answering them.

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Unread post by Rikh » November 9th, 2008, 5:23 pm

stamina wise Shiro and Shiki are at the same level

At least their tolerance for pain is...

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Unread post by Gunbladeuser » November 9th, 2008, 7:06 pm

Undream wrote:I woudnt say philosophic, since it doesnt really do a good work at that. It might try, but it doesnt really succeed at it.
For me, it does succeed at it. Tsukihime made me feel with the characters - and some other stories did that, too. But there aren't many stories that really make you re-think your life, that get you to think about a lot of things you never thought about before and that give you a lot of approaches for it. That's something Fate/say night respectively Shirou has accomplished - in my opinion.
Well... that said, I guess those things are still heavily dependent on one's own perception. Even the greatest work with the greatest intentions in it loses them if they are not noticed - at least for those not noticing.
And in order to prevent misunderstandings:
Yes, it works vice-versa, too. A miserable work can become really great if people perceive it that way.

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Unread post by Shirou » November 11th, 2008, 1:41 am

My opinion on fsn phylosophy: it's cheap and fails at it. except Archer, Archer is an interesting character.
what is really cheap is that when Shirou learns that Sakura is killing people she stops doing it.
It would have been interestin how would Shirou react by knowing that he knowingly allowed Sakura to kill people.
before was different, he didn't know.

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Unread post by Gunbladeuser » November 11th, 2008, 1:17 pm

Shirou wrote:what is really cheap is that when Shirou learns that Sakura is killing people she stops doing it.
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It would have been interestin how would Shirou react by knowing that he knowingly allowed Sakura to kill people.
before was different, he didn't know.
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Unread post by Shikiller » November 12th, 2008, 12:40 am

Shirou is a sexist moron
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Unread post by Gunbladeuser » November 12th, 2008, 2:10 pm

That depends on your point of view. You could also say that he has strong protective instincts, even the more if girls are involved.
I think you would also like to fight for a girl you like instead of letting her fight, or not?

About that strategy thing... well, that can't be helped. xD
He lacks experiences and it is quite natural that he therefore hasn't got a lot of good strategies to begin with.

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