afaikMukuro wrote: Uh, IIRC he said 3rd personality Ryougi can fight defensively with a NORMAL servant...
no...dots represent the time something has to exist, cut away dot = cut away time to exist, its not a magic button that makes akasha do stuff...Dots are on it just representing a signal fro akasha to terminate the host (and it's on it cuz otherwise you won't be able to tell who to kill).
i would agree if that was what was actually happening...You can't defend it as you can't defend against akasha.
think of it like a game: Akasha = GM or server maker, shiki = player. Shiki wins an event (nearly dying) and akasha gives him a special ability "mystic eyes of death", which instantly sets hp of monster he hits to 0 (hp doesnt = time...but you understand what i mean)
everytime he uses the ability, akasha doesnt get a message saying "ok please set this monster hp -> 0"
what happens is that akasha has already wrote into the system "if someone with this ability hits a monster, set the hp -> 0"
another example akasha also made gravity: if someone falls off a cliff, the person hitting the ground isnt a signal for "akasha, kill this person", no him hitting the ground = impact causes biological functions to cease, ect -> death. and after death soul -> akasha
same for eyes
dot stab = time gone = death
after the death the soul -> akasha.
uhm...it is very much so a method to kill...if it can be used to kill things, its a method to killThat's why berserker can't develop resistance to it. It's not a method to kill. It's just telling akasha that he is dead.
and no, the dot stab itself doesnt tell akasha its dead, its the fact that after the dot stab the time to exist = 0, which tells akasha's system "this is now dead, take to akasha"
what your thinking of is *stab* -> ok akasha, it should be dead -> *akasha set time = 0* -> *akasha take soul*
its actually *stab* -> time set = 0 -> system recognises its dead -> *akasha recieves soul*
not really, death note uses supernatural powers to causes people to die from natural things, like car crash, heart attackLike writing to death note. You killed him but it was not your power that did it, it was something more powerful.
mystic eyes of death is just a supernatural power that causes a supernatural death
+ if you have the deathnote, the deathnotes power is your power...its not someone elses. it its within your control, the power is yours...if you loose deathnote = you no longer have its power
based on what we know about ryogi, we could argue forever on if its possible or not for her (already said her powers were paradox like...)it might not for him but for R. Shiki It's not impossible
once again....servants dont have predetermined death, they are already dead...that's what I am trying to tell, that god's hand won't work, since it can't work against akasha (ie predetermined death).
+ read game allegory above
this one is hard to explain...the servant isnt actually "alive" its seen by the world as "dead"...as in the world is like "wait, you should be dead", and "mystic eyes of death" depends on what the world sees (gaian restrictions), if the world cant recognise the death of something, neither can the user of "mystic eyes of death"And what is berserker anyway? Big pool of mana with soul. All of this was created when mage made contract and made from grail. Ie it has the beginning. ANd it will eventually be destroyed. Ie it has death. It doesn't matter that soul possessing the mana is dead or not, but the spell that powers it and/or mana can be destroyed.
and the "spell" and "mana" that allows the servant to exist would come from the greater grail and the "master" respectively...if you destroy those, yes the servants will "die", but that method is an indirect way.
about hercs soul being a copy
based on what is said in f/sn and nasu there exists 2 possiblities 1. actual true soul that is summoned as a servant, and after total defeat is returned to throne of heros,
2. true soul is always kept in the throne of heros, and everything else is a copy, after total defeat, the soul disappears (yes...not cycle of rebirth or throne of heros, disappear) but afaik this copy soul is treated as if it were a real "heroic spirit", but things that cause contradictions like "ok this soul -> throne of heros...wait theres already one in there! WTF" wont apply to the copy, everything else is same if it were a heroic spirit though.
so servant is either real, or fake, unknown as of yet (many people think fake though...but no one can say 100% certain)
BUT for the sake of argument
1. if real herc summoned...well the soul will never "die/disappear", so basically what we've said before
2. if "fake" copy summoned...it wont go -> cycle of rebirth or throne of heros, but each "copy" soul wont disappear until conditions are met
eg if summoned as CG, the CG wont dissappear until all its goals have been completed, and if it "dies" the soul is just given a new body until the job is finished, then the soul disappears for good
eg create one soul thats a copy of certain hero -> keep using that soul until all goals are met (like...kill a certain person or something) -> soul disappears
SO we can assume that for servants this is also the case...if hercs soul has "will res 12 times", he will res 12 times...other conditions will be in it aswell like if "if > noble phantasm is used = defeat" or "when mana = 0 = defeat" but shouldnt effect result.