Who you like more, Shiki or Shirou? [spoilers]

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Who you like more, Shiki or Shirou? [spoilers]

Unread post by potaatti » July 9th, 2007, 5:17 pm

So, which protagonist you like more? :)


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Unread post by Kansho » July 9th, 2007, 10:36 pm

What Shirou? xD

I hate Fate Shirou, so-so with UBW Shirou, and I like HF Shirou, simply that....
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Unread post by puKKa » July 9th, 2007, 10:40 pm

I mean, are you serious?
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Unread post by Hyperbeast » July 9th, 2007, 10:45 pm

Obviously I'm making my decision based on only the Fate route of F/sn, but...

Shiki by far, in terms of general personality. And in terms of combat abilities. And in terms of the chicks he gets. And in terms of how GAR he is. Especially how GAR he is. Pretty much the only times Shirou acts GAR in the Fate route are when he's almost dead and then collapses afterwards, thus nullifying any GAR exhibited.

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Unread post by miszou » July 9th, 2007, 11:14 pm

I agree with the rock metaphor xD

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Unread post by Impractic_Shiki » July 10th, 2007, 2:26 am

Shiki by a long shot. >_>

Shirou.....never clicked with me, ever.

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Unread post by potaatti » July 10th, 2007, 8:39 am

I actually liked Shirou more.

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Unread post by Eriol-kun » July 10th, 2007, 8:43 am

puKKa wrote:I mean, are you serious?
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Totally in agreement.


Well, Shirou seemed more like the stupid schoolboy type. Shiki's experiences before and after meeting Arcueid make him a much more interesting, and thus appealing, character imo.

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Unread post by haderach » July 10th, 2007, 1:25 pm

I really like shiki, he has an interesting personality and i agreed with many of his thoughts. Also he made me laugh many times and that's a very important thing for me.
About fsn i haven't played it yet (I'd rather wait for the full patch) but i hated shirou in the anime.
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Unread post by Beowulf Lee » July 10th, 2007, 7:34 pm

Let's look at this from a literary critical perspective...
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Unread post by PrimarchBentley » July 10th, 2007, 9:10 pm

Great comments so far... :D

As I only have the Fate arc to go by for F/SN (the translation of game so far + the anime, you could say), I'll use the Fate arc for F/SN, and the Arc arc for Tsukihime. And really, I don't think it's too bad of a measure, to use the main (some may say 'canonical') story line from each.

So, look at each protagonist from the main arcs; their behaviors, actions, attitudes, and relationships with others. Then, look at the relationship each protagonist has with the corresponding 'heroine'.

Shiki, hands down...


Now, when we get UBW and HF, I think I'll have to sit down and reevaluate once I have the 'full story' of each. I'll admit, I don't think Shirou gets a fair chance from us fans, but I don't think I can trully give that 'fair chance' 'til I can play through UBW and HF.

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Unread post by Pierrot » July 10th, 2007, 10:41 pm

It's easy to fall in love with a psychopath. A fascination with his 'wickedness', envy at his effortless surpassing of the monotony of our daily life, or simply a fixtation to his strength.

So if you asked who was the cooler guy I'd say Shiki hands down. He is teh awesome, he is a god, smash rock, whatever, rave. Although for badassedness alone Shiki from Kara No Kyokai would beat him any day >:3 Not there's a psychopath, and moe to boot.

But I liked Shirou. He has flaws, but they're real concrete flaws, such as you'd see in real people, which is exactly why I suppose some people can't stand him. On the surface level it's easier to sympathize with a ficional killer (bad childhood, past traumas, how sad, et cetera) than a real well meaning person who simply thinks differently than you. And I like how for once we have a protagonist who is good at 'fixing' objects or bringing them into existence, instead of breaking them.

But allow me to digress. You might notice that throughout Fate the author repeatedly uses the word 'hero' or 'defender of justice'. Take a look at the Japanese term he uses for Servant, which is Eirei, and shares the same kanji as the Japanese word for hero, Eiyuu. Each Servant is a 'hero' in their own right, yet they are found trapped in the hell of the Grail War.

Saber sought to be the perfect hero and failed, losing the faith of her comrades precicely for her lack of flaws. Shirou is very flawed, and does some very foolish things, but we know his intentions are pure. I think the author is asking us here, 'is it possible to be a real hero? What is a hero, anyhow?'

Perhaps the very idea that Shirous strives so strongly to be a defender of justice, no matter his motivations, and no matter his consequences, is the author's idea of what a hero should be. If being a perfect hero is impossible in the real world, perhaps the only place a boy can be a defender of justice is in his heart. And for once in a while was refreshing to see a real hero instead of another 'twisted' 'awesome' antihero as the protagonist.

-----------------The body is a sword.
The blood is iron, the heart of glass.
Over countless battlefields undefeated.
Never once to flee,
And never once to be understood.
Atop the hill of swords she drinks the dregs of victory in her solitude.

Therefore her lifetime held no meaning,
and I’m sure her body was a sword.

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Unread post by JuliusCaesar » July 11th, 2007, 12:28 am

Well on their character I can't decided between the two, but on the who can beat who in a fight, I would have to disagree with the general concenus here and say that shiro would have a good chance of winning.
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Unread post by Hyperbeast » July 11th, 2007, 2:44 am

JuliusCaesar wrote:Well on their character I can't decided between the two, but on the who can beat who in a fight, I would have to disagree with the general concenus here and say that shiro would have a good chance of winning.
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Unread post by Chetyre » July 11th, 2007, 3:21 am

Hyperbeast wrote:
JuliusCaesar wrote:Well on their character I can't decided between the two, but on the who can beat who in a fight, I would have to disagree with the general concenus here and say that shiro would have a good chance of winning.
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Unread post by Hyperbeast » July 11th, 2007, 4:14 am

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Unread post by mir » July 11th, 2007, 8:23 pm

They're both irritating and should be replaced with white-haired lolis. Where's my 3rd option XD

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Unread post by Ciel » July 12th, 2007, 6:41 pm

mir wrote:They're both irritating and should be replaced with white-haired lolis. Where's my 3rd option XD
Listen to him, for this man speaks the truth. :shock:

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Unread post by PrimarchBentley » July 12th, 2007, 10:10 pm

mir wrote:They're both irritating and should be replaced with white-haired lolis. Where's my 3rd option XD
For a protagonist? Then that would mean, later on there'd be hot loli-on-lol- ...

Nevermind, I retract any objection I may have had. :wink:

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Unread post by miszou » July 12th, 2007, 11:43 pm

mir wrote:They're both irritating and should be replaced with white-haired lolis. Where's my 3rd option XD
I can guess your fovourite Melty Blood character? xD

Not a bad option tho :]
You are here alone again
In your sweet insanity
All too calm, you hide yourself from reality
Do you call it solitude? Do you call it liberty?
When all the world turns away to leave you lonely

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