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Posted: September 26th, 2007, 12:12 pm
by Raitei
oh, alright then, i'll stop if you don't like it...onii-chan?(just kidding, lol)
come to think of it, most of the chinese generals are excellent soldiers too..
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hey, has anyone ever mentioned kakashi hatake? i'd like him as assassin, he'll make the best character for that class :D

Posted: September 26th, 2007, 4:57 pm
by demonblade
While I personally support Guan Yu (My family claims we descended from him; which I find hard to accept as his son got chopped as well...but you never know since the Romance is quite biased, and he may have bonked some other woman...XD), what if someone else summoned Lu Bu as a Lancer?

As you recall, Lu Bu fought all three Sworn Brothers at once before he beat a decidedly hasty retreat. In fact, he was the ultimate warrior of his age, though he was a terrible general. Also, he owned Red Hare first, so Guan Yu may not be able to summon it as a Noble Phantasm.

Note: Guan Yu was actually an archer in the army before he ascended to his position. I like the way he got famous though :D Defeating that officer before his wine got cold.

Lu Bu can be an Archer as well, if anyone can recall the story of him shooting an arrow through the spear's hole...

Posted: September 27th, 2007, 2:50 am
by lolipedofin
True... Lu Bu is the strongest warrior in the three kingdom legacy. He took on Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei at the same time and even manage to outdo them.... :( That's scary!

But,, i don't really like his history, and his death is among one of the most pathetic i have ever known. manipulated by a woman right??


Yup, Red Hare does belong to Lu Bu, then after his death it became Chao-Chao's, then Chao-Chao gave it to Guan Yu, afterwards Guan Yu commit treason and change side to Liu Bei. However, if you ask most people that knew about three kingdom, but not too deep.. they will most likely to relate Red Hare to Guan Yu... As he is most famous riding on it. And considering part of servant's strength derived from their popularity, maybe he can summon it after all.

Posted: September 27th, 2007, 7:23 am
by demonblade
Bah, if you're Chinese, you should know the phrase: "Ying1 Xiong2 Bu2 Guo4 Mei3 Ren2 Guan1"; which means even heroes are no match for beautiful women(or men, if the hero's gay >.<)

I mean, come on. If Saber suddenly got cozy with you; I'd doubt your brain'd be working well enough to see that sword going for your back, eh?

Hmm, speaking of ultimate warriors, it'll be interesting to summon the greatest of historical warriors from each age into the HGW, like how they had a king-based war in F/Z...

Achilles, possibly the greatest warrior in Greek history, taking on his closest match, Prince Hector of Troy and wthpwning him into oblivion.

Lu Bu, praised as the mightiest fighter in Chinese history. He fought off Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, the God of War and the Serpent Spear respectively, along with their eldest sworn brother, Liu Bei.

Galahad, the Sinless Knight who actually won the true Holy Grail. Either him or his dad: Lancelot, Arthur's mightiest knight. Although Galahad was the one who was proclaimed as the 'World's Greatest Knight'...

Tadakatsu Honda, whom Oda Nobunaga proclaimed the "Samurai among Samurai", who wielded Dragonfly Cutter spear(due to the story that a dragonfly that landed on it got sliced in two, and it is know known as one of Japan's Three Great Spears) and was apparently, never wounded in a battle o.O

There should be more of course...

Posted: September 27th, 2007, 8:34 am
by Raitei
maybe you mean men, if the heroes are women...I can hardly found a gay hero in ancient china..and wouldn't want to think about it ...

and fellow brothers, I think you've posted bits of spoilers there...not important ,but still, I am a bit worried about those...
hmm, is being human(or at least, intelligent creature) one of the criteria of being summoned as servants...?
if it's not, then i've got some cool creatures as my servants...

Posted: September 27th, 2007, 2:00 pm
by Nalerenn
Hmmm ... possibly a Berserker class Lycaon. He kinda seems to fit there, what with the Lycanthropy thing going on. Plus I really like my werewolf mythology ^^;;

Failing that, Alastor as an Assassin. He's definetely got it going for him.

Posted: September 27th, 2007, 4:08 pm
by demonblade
Raitei wrote:hmm, is being human(or at least, intelligent creature) one of the criteria of being summoned as servants...?
if it's not, then i've got some cool creatures as my servants...
Ahh, my F/HA knowledge is extremely lacking.

I have no idea, but I believe that
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So I am really not sure or keen on the idea of having non-humans for Servants, let alone non-intelligent creatures...

Posted: September 27th, 2007, 9:16 pm
by Raw
Some Servants of the latest Holy Grail War are demigods.

Such as: (Extreme Spoilers Alert!)
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Posted: September 28th, 2007, 6:39 am
by demonblade
Uh. Dude?

I believe I said:
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Posted: September 28th, 2007, 8:59 am
by Raitei
still, having a bahamut as my servant is quite challenging,and pretty convenient...
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Posted: October 7th, 2007, 10:56 am
by redlar66
How about Hou Yi as Archer? He's the hero who shot down nine sun-birds who scorched the earth. Or Yang the Archer, who killed five suns by firing at their reflections with his bow. The myths for these two are very similar, with both leaving just one sun in the sky, but Hou Yi's is more complete.

On a side note, there are stats for some proposed heroes on pages 2, and 4(Guan Yu, Siegfried, and Qaenyin Angelblade, respectively) on the thread. And here are stats for Kakashi, hopefully written as they would appear in the game, minus the () parts. If you people like it, I could do others like Lu Bu, though I'd need to research him.

Name: Hatake Kakashi
Class: Capability to be summoned as Assassin or Caster. (Because of Ninjutsu.)
The stats are for Assassin.
Strength: A-
Agility: A
Luck: E
Endurance: A
Mana: B
Noble Phantasm: A
Alignment: Neutral Good

Charisma: B+
Battle Continuation: B
Independent Action:B
Presence Concealement:B
High Speed Jutsu Casting:A
Jutsu Collection: EX

Noble Phantasm:
Sharingan; Blood-Stained Eye (False): Because he isn't of the Uchiha Bloodline, his Sharingan is not as versatile as a True Sharingan. It uses more mana and can't be shut off. But it allows Kakashi limited foresight in combat situations, allowing him to see the physical moves of his opponent before they actually happen and allowing him to see their mana. It also allows him to be incredibly accurate with his Phantasms and Weaponry. The range of the Sharingan is Kakashi's range of view.
Rank: B+
Support, Maximum Target:1-5

Mangekyo Sharingan; Twisted Eye of Blood(False): Because he isn't of the Uchiha Bloodline, his Mangekyo Sharingan is not the true Mangekyo, with access to Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. It creates a time-space distortion that destroys the target. But it is incredibly draining, and with a normal magus for a master, would usually result in Kakashi using up so much mana that the magus would be emptied simply for Kakashi to stay alive. (Allowing such a powerful move to be used without penalty seems wrong to me.) The range of the Mangekyo Sharingan is Kakashi's range of view.
Rank:A-
Anti-Unit, Maximum Target:1-2

Chidori; Cry of a Thousand Birds: A high-speed assassination technique, the Chidori allows Kakashi to move at speeds that can only be matched by a Lancer. Chidori forms a blade of lightning around one of Kakashi's hands, that pierces through any defense and any Noble Phantasm beneath the rank of B-. However, against any Phantasm related to the element Wind, the rank of the Chidori is decreased by 1 1/2 ranks. (To B-.)
Rank:A
Anti-Unit, Range 1-3, Maximum Target: 1-2

Posted: October 7th, 2007, 11:11 am
by Raitei
huh?kakashi's agility(or at least, most members of assassin class) should be a or above,shouldn't it? :?:

Posted: October 7th, 2007, 11:15 am
by redlar66
Sorry, that part's left over from a previous stat list I used for Guan Yu. I meant it to be A.

You know, Merlin or Elminster would make cool Casters. And Merlin is confirmed to exist in the Nasuverse, so there're no canonity/crossover issues there.

Posted: October 7th, 2007, 5:32 pm
by lolipedofin
Chidori is no way more powerful than mangekyou sharingan...!! Although, it is sad, considering that chidori is his signature and original move... but the power of mangekyou sharingan is unsurpassable and deserve a rank of at least A+. It contains unlimited possibility of ninjutsu and genjutsu... So far only 3 were unveiled.. Itachi's Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu, plus the one that Kakashi's use to blow Deidara's hand apiece...

On sidenote... Chidori is the original name of the ninjutsu, however the fame of the jutsu has made people called the jutsu "Raikiri". Meaning: Lightning Cutter, Lightning Edge, or Killer Lightning... I don't really know, let those fluent with japanese answers. Only chidori unleashed by Kakashi, deserved the name. Well.. for me though, this is simply the mangaka way to distinct kakashi's and sasuke's.

Posted: October 8th, 2007, 5:44 am
by redlar66
I know the Mangekyo is very powerful. But Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan isn't the true one. Because he isn't of the Uchiha blood, it doesn't have the same abilities, and it consumes much, much more chakra than it would for a true member of the Uchiha clan, like Itachi. I doubt Kakashi can acess the full range of abilities of the Mangekyou, so it's lower than it would be. If Itachi could be summoned as a hero, his Mangekyou Sharingan would be around rank EX.

Posted: October 8th, 2007, 7:06 am
by lolipedofin
The bigger the mana consumption the stronger the noble phantasm will be... that's a general rule... although there may be some exception, but the general rule for the noble phantasm strength is basically touka koukan.

That said, why would someone have a weaker noble phantasm with mana(chakra) consumption WAY BIGGGER than the stronger one.. it wouldn't make any sense will it... And while his mange maybe weaker than those of itachi he definitely deserve more than A-, at least A++.

One more thing, i think the normal sharingan is better categorized as a skill than NP... as it is not a weapon nor a one shot technique.. it's a continuos skill that enabled him to copy his opponent move, technique and predict their movement.

One flaw of kakashi: He has no noble phantasm that can be used as a weapon... or even a decent weapon. Although his class should allow him fight without any formidable weapon.

Posted: October 8th, 2007, 11:24 am
by Raitei
lolipedofin wrote:
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hmm, you reminded me of
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and i'm sure kakashi's way lot better than him...

and have care buddies, this thread is supposed to be spoiler free... I kinda see that a further discussion will lead into some major spoiler...

Posted: October 8th, 2007, 11:56 am
by lolipedofin
spoiler about naruto, right??!! It suppose to be okay as long as we don't spoil anything F/SN related (i think).
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Posted: October 8th, 2007, 12:17 pm
by Raitei
lolipedofin wrote:
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yup, I agree with you, buddy.
maybe
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hmm, how 'bout kosuke ueki as caster or berserker or archer?

Posted: October 8th, 2007, 5:24 pm
by lolipedofin
One simple answer... F/SN is a serious and dark universe, we don't need an idiot, silly, and obnoxious boy to spoil the mood don't we....
It's just gonna be too out of place and stupid to have the likes of Ueki, Luffy, Ranma, and any of their kinds as a servant in F/SN

One interisting to point out though, imagine if Ueki is Shirou's servant... With all their idea and sense of justice, their ignorance to the reality... they will be the most pissing pair in the F/SN for sure!