Who would you have for a Servant?

[Raw]

Actually, before the cold war was over, US and USSR had enough nuclear devices to destroy the whole world 23 times. But after some agreement, i believe START 1, they reduced their stockpile to around 1000.

Anyway, Bush wouldn't find his red buttons even to save his life. Noble Phantasm: Dumb as a Rock. Or Noble Phantasm: Create a Senseless War.

[LastShadow]

Here are some links which say that its around 10,000:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_a ... kpiles.svg

http://thebulletin.metapress.com/conten ... lltext.pdf

Anyway, Bush wouldn't find his red buttons even to save his life. Noble Phantasm: Dumb as a Rock. Or Noble Phantasm: Create a Senseless War.

You could always have him summon it, and then you could press it.
It would be similar to when Shiro summoned a weapon for Saber.

[Einherjar]

Goku? XD

[LastShadow]

Goku? XD

You wouldn't have enough mana.... and i wouldn't want to give him mana Shiro's way.

How bout Android 18? Plus shes a cyborg, would most of energy come from machines?
Its been about 6 years since i watched DBZ, i don't know if her energy comes from Ki or if its because of the machines inside her.

Either way I wouldn't mind going Shiro's way to give her mana.

[Raw]

I totally dislike DBZ. Please don't ever mention it again.

[Raitei]

I totally dislike DBZ. Please don't ever mention it again.

every people has his/her own taste, raw. you should at least learn to appreciate it...
btw, for anyone of you who have played c&c generals, you must know all heroes od every faction there.
i'd choose jarmen kell as my servant, lol.

[demonblade]

I totally dislike DBZ. Please don't ever mention it again.

LOL. I remembered a video from Youtube that had nothing but Goku going "Ahhhhhhhhh...." and charging his power for a full FIVE minutes. Laughed my butt off.

But hey, it was technically the first anime and manga I watched/read as a little kid, so can't really say much.

btw, for anyone of you who have played c&c generals, you must know all heroes od every faction there.
i'd choose jarmen kell as my servant, lol.

Ehh, the heroes in C&C would be boring as a Servant. Come on, Col. Burton would just get killed by Jarmen Kell every time.

Elite Super Lotus is fun though XD.

Hmm, speaking of computer games; and reading that old resurrected SC2 thread

Anyone up for summoning Zeratul from Starcraft as a form of (True)Assassin? Mmm...100dmg warp blades...

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P.S I heard the only True Assassin there was or could be is the Hashashin/Old Man of the Mountain himself, but I'm kinda iffy on that. Anyone care to clarify that?

[LastShadow]

But hey, it was technically the first anime and manga I watched/read as a little kid, so can't really say much.

Same here, actually i think that is true with most people who was born in the 1980's.

Hmm, speaking of computer games; and reading that old resurrected SC2 thread

Anyone up for summoning Zeratul from Starcraft as a form of (True)Assassin? Mmm...100dmg warp blades...

Sorry i rather go with Sarah Kerrigan before she was turned by the zerg.

She's hot, and I'd love the alternative methods for giving her mana =)

While i don't know how effective she would be in fighting other servants (probably an assassin or an archer class) her cloak ability and sniper rifle would be awesome in killing the other Masters from a distance.

However, if you mess up with the summoning and get the transformed Kerrigan, you're basically screwed. She would be an awesome Servant other than the whole fact that she would probably find a way to kill you as well. Totally worth the risk.

[shadow_Hiei]

Who would I want? Archer or Rider, and to a lesser extent, Lancer. They're all pretty cool, and Rider's hot.

Who would I get? That's tough to say. Maybe Lancer, since I have rage? Though I'd probably get a different servant than any of the ones summoned in the fifth Holy Grail War altogether.

[Raitei]

lately, I feel the urge to summon every famous heroes in the past...
you know what...?they're cool...)
heh, it's nice to have an army of servants... for example, i'd like to have heroes from myths such as bellerophon, perseus, hercules, or...
heroes from the past; william wallace, joanne of arc, moses(yes, he's cool, even without God's help, he's still capable of fighting by himself =))...

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I think i'll have to find a way of exceeding the holy grail's mana capacity...

...did I forget to mention someone...?ah, yes, if I did, then it must be myself( raitei )....)

[Ciel]

Same here, actually i think that is true with most people who was born in the 1980's.

I was born in 1980s, and my first one were really old school ones like dash! kappei or daimos. Dbz wasn't popular here until recent 5 or so years, and even then it's just stuff for kiddies. :P

*Removed because it apparently disturbs some people*

[Raitei]

[size=0]Would Jesus count as a hero...? [/size]

hmm,don't mean to offend, but I think you've gone too far, buddy....

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(as i've said before, i'm now in tight quarter, so I really don't want to risk my life even further)
Jesus is GOD, y'know..
I worship Him and the Father and the Holy Spirit every sunday morning at church..

[lolipedofin]

Hmmm.... i don't get what Ciel and Raitei are talking about, Ciel is talking about dragon ball, right? in which way does it offense God? has Ciel edited his post already??

As for my first anime, i think it was doraemon (the first, and most famous anime and manga until now in indonesia). As for DBZ anime, i can't understand why people watch them. don't get me wrong, the manga was extremely exceptional work, but the anime... i was watching it about 10 years ago, and even amazed at it's low quality back then (of course, with a notable fact that 10 years ago was 1997, and the anime was made 1986). I can't even understand how the anime can gain popularity NOW, with the level of it's animation. just to make it clear, i'm an avid fan of DB and has all the manga.

Got new idea for servants here:

Kira Yamato (Gundam SEED Series).
Noble Phantasm: GAT X-105 Strike, Lv:B ZGMF X-10A Freedom, Lv:S ZGMF X-20A Strike-Freedom, Lv:SS

Class:

Archer. Has an exceptional ability for firing long range, especially with all the armaments of Strike-Freedom plus DRAGOONs and METEOR embedded on the system.
Berserker. He IS a berserker. Andy "Sabaku no Tora" Waltfeld once call him a berserker in regard to Kira's SEED abilities.
Rider The most fitting class, as he is 'riding' his Mobile Suits.

[demonblade]

Solely @ Raitei and no one else:

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You have a fellow Paladin here ) Although I'd think it'd be more prudent to add an "I believe that" in front of the bold sentence. There's a difference between standing up for truth, and possibly annoying people with it (hey, if they don't want it, *shrugs* Can't force them, right?). Also, it *might* not sit well with the mods. I don't want to miss out on talking more.

moses(yes, he's cool, even without God's help, he's still capable of fighting by himself =))

I beg to differ.

While I don't want to turn this into a pseudo-theological debate, but when bringing characters from a different universe, one has to play by the rules and the abilities of the character and its universe.

Let's look at Moses' character and history, shall we?

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He was someone brought up as a prince(probably spoiled as heck), but in the end let his anger control him, and he killed an Egyptian. So we have a murderer.

Fearing retribution, Moses flees into the desert, and abandons everything he once had. So he's now a cowardly murderer.

Then he becomes a shepherd, marries a girl in the desert and continues to stay on as a low-profile shepherd, leading a quiet life far away from his past. Add 'fearful of the past' and 'unmotivated' to the list.

When the Burning Bush decides to go "Oi, dude! Yeah, you, the guy looking for your sheep! Take off your scandals, because the ground is t3h h0ly and consecrated..." and continues to have a conversation with him, and after God reveals to him the plans for "Operation Freedom From Pharoah', he tells it out pure and simple:

"I can't! I can't! They'll ask me in who's name and authority did I come, and kill me! And I-i-i-i-i'm a stu-stu-stutterer!" And when the Divine Being tells him that his brother Aaron can speak for him; and that saying 'I AM' is enough;

"I-i can't! They'll kill me! They'll think I'm powerless! They'll KILL ME!"

Huzzah. Moses at this point, before he enters the services of a God whom he only knows from the slaves whom has served him for ages, is naught but a cowardly, unmotivated, stuttering, faithless murderer.

In today's system, this type of people usually end up hanging on a noose in a prison cell, the gallows or in solitary confinement.

It is only when this 'Yahweh', this grim God of the desert slaves enters his life, that things start becoming different.

He has the courage to challenge Pharoah, the most powerful man on the Earth at that time, face-to-face.. He gains the ability to pour ten different plagues onto Egypt; one of which is an ultra-cool summon of an Angel of Death(or something like that XD). He gains the ability to split the Red Sea, and close it back up again. He gains the ability to turn the tide of battles just by raising his arm. He has the privilege of being the only dude of his time who caught a glmpse of Yahweh, and as a result turned his face into a Day-Glo stick for several days. And so on.

Now, do you still think he's anything without God at all? I highly doubt it. In the context of the Biblical Universe (as opposed to many other universes; Archer from Type-Moon is GAR, Light Yagami is a genius, Kratos from God of War a complete Spartan bad-ass, and so on...), the Trinity usually picks those who are complete and total losers by themselves; Moses was an earlier example, Gideon called himself the weakest man of the smallest family of the smallest tribe in Israel, Saul was an accessory to murder along with being a persecutor and oppressor, Peter was another coward who denied Christ 3 times, and so on.

From this, I therefore hypothesize that Moses, if summoned into the Holy Grail War without his God, will get owned faster than even a certain hero who got his butt kicked after the first few days of the Holy Grail War.

Kira Yamato (Gundam SEED Series).
Noble Phantasm: GAT X-105 Strike, Lv:B ZGMF X-10A Freedom, Lv:S ZGMF X-20A Strike-Freedom, Lv:SS

Class:

Archer. Has an exceptional ability for firing long range, especially with all the armaments of Strike-Freedom plus DRAGOONs and METEOR embedded on the system.
Berserker. He IS a berserker. Andy "Sabaku no Tora" Waltfeld once call him a berserker in regard to Kira's SEED abilities.
Rider The most fitting class, as he is 'riding' his Mobile Suits.

Ah yes. Mr. Gary Yamato eh? (Gary Stu...Male counterpart to Mary Sue)

Dude, I'd say Kira can only be effective as a Rider class.

Mobile suits are immense, manned machines of war that has both the mobility of a fighter plane and the firepower of a battecruiser. So I doubt that the X-105 Strike is a mere B rank. It's definitely higher. Strike Freedom should be EX, no doubt about it. It is possibly the most powerful and imba Gundam in the SEED universe.

I'd say only a person with EX rank in Riding can operate those machines. Kira Yamato, being who he is (spoiler!), has the ability to quickly, efficiently and effectively operate mobile suits, which should give him the EX rank in Riding easily. Also note that he is the only 'human' who has the ability to control the X20A Strike Freedom, as it's so damn advanced, it's similar to micromanaging 150 different units in an RTS game.

Of course, Red Archer on the other hand, with his abilities, MAY be able to control them.

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Remember, he gains the memories of the original owner, and thus proficiency in using any weapon. (and oh, Gundams are weapons after all XD)

Being an Archer and a Berserker class will not give him his super-high Riding skill, and thus without his Gundams, all the abilities you mentioned will be useless.

In fact, without his Gundams, Kira will probably only be as skilled and physically able as Nanaya Shiki(Nightmare) from Tsukihime. Without the unparalled killing techniques.

Also, it's odd that you mention that Kira's a berserker. While Kira's movements and skill may become much better in SEED mode, there is one significant difference between being a SEED!berserker and a servant!Berserker:

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SEED!berserkers retain their mental capabilites, if not increased as well. Servant!Berserkers on the other hand, well... Can pretty much do nothing else other than go "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I hope you haven't forgotten the Fate route already

Also another point I feel needs to be pointed out:

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ANYONE can be a Berserker, even Arthuria-san. One just needs to summon the heroic spirit as a Servant class, and depending also on whether he has enough mana to control him or her.

Of course, if Kira can summon and operate his X20A Strike Freedom together with the METEOR system, it's gonna take one heck of an Ea blast to wipe it out.

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Then again, it's Anti-World, and I don't think even VPS armour can stand an anti-world strike, so...

But of course, if Kira dodges it, and blasts Gil with his DRAGOONS and what not...I don't know what can beat him lol.

[Raw]

I would summon Hattori Hanzo, but in his Samurai Showdown cameo, which is pretty cool, and of course, as an assassin.

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/hanzo.html

[Raitei]

Solely @ Raitei and no one else:

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You have a fellow Paladin here ) Although I'd think it'd be more prudent to add an "I believe that" in front of the bold sentence. There's a difference between standing up for truth, and possibly annoying people with it (hey, if they don't want it, *shrugs* Can't force them, right?). Also, it *might* not sit well with the mods. I don't want to miss out on talking more.

moses(yes, he's cool, even without God's help, he's still capable of fighting by himself =))

I beg to differ.

While I don't want to turn this into a pseudo-theological debate, but when bringing characters from a different universe, one has to play by the rules and the abilities of the character and its universe.

Let's look at Moses' character and history, shall we?

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He was someone brought up as a prince(probably spoiled as heck), but in the end let his anger control him, and he killed an Egyptian. So we have a murderer.

Fearing retribution, Moses flees into the desert, and abandons everything he once had. So he's now a cowardly murderer.

Then he becomes a shepherd, marries a girl in the desert and continues to stay on as a low-profile shepherd, leading a quiet life far away from his past. Add 'fearful of the past' and 'unmotivated' to the list.

When the Burning Bush decides to go "Oi, dude! Yeah, you, the guy looking for your sheep! Take off your scandals, because the ground is t3h h0ly and consecrated..." and continues to have a conversation with him, and after God reveals to him the plans for "Operation Freedom From Pharoah', he tells it out pure and simple:

"I can't! I can't! They'll ask me in who's name and authority did I come, and kill me! And I-i-i-i-i'm a stu-stu-stutterer!" And when the Divine Being tells him that his brother Aaron can speak for him; and that saying 'I AM' is enough;

"I-i can't! They'll kill me! They'll think I'm powerless! They'll KILL ME!"

Huzzah. Moses at this point, before he enters the services of a God whom he only knows from the slaves whom has served him for ages, is naught but a cowardly, unmotivated, stuttering, faithless murderer.

In today's system, this type of people usually end up hanging on a noose in a prison cell, the gallows or in solitary confinement.

It is only when this 'Yahweh', this grim God of the desert slaves enters his life, that things start becoming different.

He has the courage to challenge Pharoah, the most powerful man on the Earth at that time, face-to-face.. He gains the ability to pour ten different plagues onto Egypt; one of which is an ultra-cool summon of an Angel of Death(or something like that XD). He gains the ability to split the Red Sea, and close it back up again. He gains the ability to turn the tide of battles just by raising his arm. He has the privilege of being the only dude of his time who caught a glmpse of Yahweh, and as a result turned his face into a Day-Glo stick for several days. And so on.

Now, do you still think he's anything without God at all? I highly doubt it. In the context of the Biblical Universe (as opposed to many other universes; Archer from Type-Moon is GAR, Light Yagami is a genius, Kratos from God of War a complete Spartan bad-ass, and so on...), the Trinity usually picks those who are complete and total losers by themselves; Moses was an earlier example, Gideon called himself the weakest man of the smallest family of the smallest tribe in Israel, Saul was an accessory to murder along with being a persecutor and oppressor, Peter was another coward who denied Christ 3 times, and so on.

From this, I therefore hypothesize that Moses, if summoned into the Holy Grail War without his God, will get owned faster than even a certain hero who got his butt kicked after the first few days of the Holy Grail War.

yo, quite a point you've got there....
i'm just inspired by the movie "Ten Commandments"...
y'know, moses' really cool there..

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Then again, it's Anti-World, and I don't think even VPS armour can stand an anti-world strike, so...

But of course, if Kira dodges it, and blasts Gil with his DRAGOONS and what not...I don't know what can beat him lol.

don't think so, because

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strike freedom's shield has a kind of beam reflector, right...?
and I want you to remember something; enuma elish's a beam
see, it's quite easy for freedom to defend against it...
so does forbidden(OMNI's new gundam, blasted by freedom in the anime)..

and also, course gil would be blasted to nothing when he's taken direct damage from meteor....which suits him,of course

[demonblade]

yo, quite a point you've got there....
i'm just inspired by the movie "Ten Commandments"...
y'know, moses' really cool there..

Not to mention Prince of Egypt as well, but sometimes it's quite interesting when people don't realize the only hero that the Bible actually insuinates IS a Hero is that which claims to have given inspiration to the writers of its many books themselves, and not the characters inside of it. They would be naught but mere sidekicks, if you will.

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Then again, it's Anti-World, and I don't think even VPS armour can stand an anti-world strike, so...

But of course, if Kira dodges it, and blasts Gil with his DRAGOONS and what not...I don't know what can beat him lol.

don't think so, because

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strike freedom's shield has a kind of beam reflector, right...?
and I want you to remember something; enuma elish's a beam
see, it's quite easy for freedom to defend against it...
so does forbidden(OMNI's new gundam, blasted by freedom in the anime)..

and also, course gil would be blasted to nothing when he's taken direct damage from meteor....which suits him,of course

Here is where pseudo-science comes into the mix:

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Assuming that even if Enuma Elish IS a beam, the sheer magnitude of its power would have completely overwhelmed Strike Freedom's beam shield. Think about it. The strongest attack a beam shield can withstand is probably a mobile suit-level multi-phase cannon/plasma beam cannon, and at the very most a blast from a positron cannon(Lohengrin/Tannhauser), and even so I suspect the beam shield will be overwhelmed and explode. Against a blast that has the potential to wipe out the world, it is highly dubious even for a MS like Strike Freedom to defend against it.

Forbidden got pwned by Yzak and Dearka, but I get what you mean. It's shields are highly different from beam shields as they use Mirage Colloid to deflect incoming beams. However, they should prove to be of no use against non-beam weapons, such as railguns. However, Kira does not and has never possessed the Forbidden, so... XD

From here, we go into analysis of the nature of Enuma Elish's output. While Enuma Elish looks like nothing more than a giant red beam, the truth is that 'rotation of Ea's tri-blade segments vacuums and compresses surrounding atmospheric gasses. Upon release, the ensuing cataclysmic blast sunders the foundations of reality, causing a collapse of time and space that disintegrates everything around the area of attack.'.

As you can see,
1) Enuma Elish is NOT a beam, but the release of hyper-compressed, isolated gasses. Very different from the beams that beam deflectors deflect.
2) The blast does not just incinerate or crush its target to a pulp, it is an attack the destroys the very fabric of reality itself. The only way to survive that is to be able to transcend time and space, that is; reality itself. Only Avalon possesses that ability.

Thus,
1) Enuma Elish is not a beam, and cannot be completely stopped by a beam shield, or any other shields as a matter of fact.
2) Nothing can stop Ea's attack except Avalon, whose reality transcendence properties protect the wielder from getting pwned.
3) Enuma Elish is thus the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction XD

[Raitei]

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Thus,
1) Enuma Elish is not a beam, and cannot be completely stopped by a beam shield, or any other shields as a matter of fact.
2) Nothing can stop Ea's attack except Avalon, whose reality transcendence properties protect the wielder from getting pwned.
3) Enuma Elish is thus the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction XD

dude, if these are facts, why do you think gil

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or at least the area around him

haven't perished yet after

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princess arturia(that's the name what I like to call saber with^^)

perfectly deflected the attack?

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his armor probably won't be able to hold the full force of enuma elish, y'know

oh, one idea: how 'bout casey ryback, as assassin or saber or archer?

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and his np reality marble that makes the area around becomes a kitchen: remember what he said in under siege 2:"no one can beat me in kitchen"^^

[demonblade]

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Thus,
1) Enuma Elish is not a beam, and cannot be completely stopped by a beam shield, or any other shields as a matter of fact.
2) Nothing can stop Ea's attack except Avalon, whose reality transcendence properties protect the wielder from getting pwned.
3) Enuma Elish is thus the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction XD

dude, if these are facts, why do you think gil

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or at least the area around him

haven't perished yet after

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princess arturia(that's the name what I like to call saber with^^)

perfectly deflected the attack?

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his armor probably won't be able to hold the full force of enuma elish, y'know

Uhm, try and remember that:

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The area around him DID get scarred. If you remember, the police were all over the place where Gil and Saber fought.

Gil's arrogant, not stupid. If he uses the complete full-force of his Noble Phantasm, there'd probably be a global cataclysm that would have destroyed half the Earth. He was very obviously holding back because of 2 reasons:

1) If he used close to maximum blast, there'd be no Saber left for him to 'marry' after Gil blasts her with Enuma Elish. Remember, he's lusting after her.
2) Gilgamesh is very, very arrogant and pretentious. He assumes (correctly) that he needn't use the full force of Ea against Saber's Excalibur, let alone Shirou.

Also, since an Enuma Elish at like 1% was deflected(i'm going to assume that, because even at 10% it could take out the whole of Fuyuki), much of its original energy was dissipated elsewhere, while whatever was left of the blast that struck Gil was definitely not enough to destroy his armour, but was enough to cause him to pull a retreat.

oh, one idea: how 'bout casey ryback, as assassin or saber or archer?

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and his np reality marble that makes the area around becomes a kitchen: remember what he said in under siege 2:"no one can beat me in kitchen"^^

Uhm, I have no idea who he is. Sorry XD

[Einherjar]

I was joking about having Goku of course.

how about somebody from FE? Roy kicks ass in SSBM.

DBZ sux in any way, with one exception to that:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd2kFtJHp0s