About Heavens Feel [spoilers]

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About Heavens Feel [spoilers]

Unread post by nhatanhle » September 27th, 2009, 5:21 am

Can you tell me more about the thing called "Heavens Feel" and the different between the Holy Grail and the Great Holy Grail in HF route . I still don't know what it is even though I have finished HF route.

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Re: About Heavens Feel

Unread post by Message » September 27th, 2009, 3:05 pm

Since you already finished the game, you might as well spoiler-tag this thread.

Edit: Though I wouldn't be surprised if there are already several threads about this topic.

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Re: About Heavens Feel [spoilers]

Unread post by Zensunni » September 30th, 2009, 9:40 pm

I'll try to explain briefly.

"Heaven's feel" is just another term for Holy Grail War. It's worth noting that the japanese term has a different meaning and "heaven's feel" isn't a translation but something the author himself made up.

the Great Holy Grail is the magic circle inside the cave which Shirou destroys in the HF endings. It's purpose is to slowly collect mana from the region's leylines and when it's ready, it will automatically pick masters and give them the ability to summon a servant. And so a Holy Grail War begins.

The power to summon servants is a miracle in itself but the instigators of the ritual were after an omnipotent power, and that's what the actual Holy Grail is for. The souls of killed servants are collected within a magus specialised for that purpose, usually a homonculus created by the Einsberns (Ilya) but other options are also explored in the story (Sakura, made compatible by Zouken and Shinji with Ilya's heart). Anyway, when the magus has enough souls, he/she can be used to summon the Holy Grail in one of the designated ritual sites, such as the temple or the church grounds.

The reason the Holy Grail has become so nasty is that a few wars back, Angra Manyu was summoned and he somehow integrated himself with the grail. He wasn't a very heroic spirit, so now all the grail is good for is death, destruction, burning, tentacle rape and making obscene red text appear in your head.

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Re: About Heavens Feel [spoilers]

Unread post by Keeper of Gil's Vault » October 8th, 2009, 11:41 pm

That's a pretty comprehensive explanation.
However, the Minor Grail, is not necessarily a magus or a homunculus. It can really be anything. Like Kotomine described, the chalice in his church was once upon a time the Minor Grail. The Minor Grail just needs to be a vessel that can collect souls, which would be used to drive the Greater Grail.
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Re: About Heavens Feel [spoilers]

Unread post by Oolinthu » January 4th, 2010, 4:54 pm

If I remember correctly, wasn't the general idea as follows?
1. Great Holy Grail picks masters and gives them the ability to call servants from the Throne of Heroes (i.e., Akasha/The Origin).
2. Souls of defeated Servants are collected in Minor Grail.
3. The link to the origin created by the Servant souls returning to the Throne is used in concern with the prodigious amounts of mana available to reach the origin.

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