UBW chant(probable spoilers)

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UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby arkady18 » July 18th, 2009, 12:05 pm

Do you remember this image appearing at the beginning of the game(right after the prologue)?

In it, we can see the chant "I am the bone of...." along with the text in Japanese. I've always thought that it was a sort of translation in Jpanese of the chant, but I was greatly mistakening.
Before I continue talking, I have to make a short introduction, not only about myself, but about the original game as well.
Though, I have to say first that I'm translating F/SN into Italian. I read F/SN thanks to mm's translation and I decided some time ago to retranslate it into Italian. Arrived at almost half of Fate route, I decided to correct what I had done until then. In the meanwhile, I finished my first year of Japanese study, so now I know something of Japanese and I want to try my (very little) Japanese skills, comparing my and mm's translation with the original Japanese version. Unfortunately, I found out that, even if I liked reading this English translation, it is not alway made correct, but it's full of mistakes, so I'm wasting a lot of time trying to correct the errors of English translation(even tough I'm not always able to...). Anyways, I talked about a short introduction, but I'm going too farXD What I really wanted to make people know is that Japanese version has got something, that English version lacks: the [ruby text""] code. This code was originally made to insert furigana (a sort of explanation of "how to read" some uncommon kanjis) in the game, but that "rascal" of Nasu is used to use it also in another way: he often writes something on the words which is not related to the pronunciation of the kanji
Here is an example:



Another example is the UBW chant itself, in which he writes in English the verses and on each verse another think is written in Japanese.

Archer chant:

English
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to death.
Nor known to life.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works

Japanese
体は剣で出来ている。
血潮は鉄で 心は硝子。
幾たびの戦場を越えて不敗。
ただの一度も敗走はなく、
ただの一度も理解されない。
彼の者は常に独り 剣の丘で勝利に酔う。
故に、生涯に意味はなく。
その体は、きっと剣で出来ていた。

Shirou chant:

English
I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unaware of loss.
Nor aware of gain.
Withstood pain to create many weapons.
Waiting for one's arrival.
I have no regrets, this is the only path.
My whole life was "Unlimited Blade Works."

Japanese
体は剣で出来ている
血潮は鉄で心は硝子
幾たびの戦場を越えて不敗
ただ一度の敗走もなく、
ただ一度の勝利もなし
担い手はここに孤り。
剣の丘で鉄を鍛つ
ならば、我が生涯に意味は不要ず
この体は、無限の剣で出来ていた

I tried to translate them, but, since (like I said before) I'm just a first year student of Japanese, I'm sure that I mistook somethingXD(perhaps, I mistook in translating into English too, since I'm Italian and not an English native speaker...)

Archer:
The body is made up of swords.
The blood (is made up) of iron, the heart is glass.
Having crossed countless battlefields, he's invincible.
Without having withdrawn even once,
without having been understood even once.
That person is always alone On the hill of swords, he gets drunk of glory.
Therefore, there is no meaning to his existence.
That body was undoubtedly made up of blades.

Shirou:
The body is made up of swords.
The blood (is made up) of iron, the heart is glass.
Having crossed countless battlefields, he's invincible.
Without having withdrawn even once,
without having won even once.
There is only one owner to this place.
On the hill of swords, he forges the iron.
If there is no meaning to my existence,
this body was made up of infinite blades.

What do you think about my translation and about the whole Japanese part of the chant?
I guess that here someone knows Japanese far better than me; so, if they read my translation and commented it, I would appreciate a lot!
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Kid-Wolf » July 18th, 2009, 2:29 pm

But they needed it in Engrish and they way it was originally done kind of made Archer GAR-like. I mean it's Engrish done very well mind you. If it wasn't done like that we wouldn't had the Unlimited <Blank> Works meme though.

Although translating that poem word for word like that kind of makes the chant a little bit more rough to do, but that's my opinion.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 19th, 2009, 3:15 am

Typemoon wikia wiki has a translation for both, as well as the romaji versions.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby smartazjb0y » July 23rd, 2009, 8:12 pm

Where did "Thus I pray, Unlimited Blade Works" come from? It's the name of one of the scenes where Shirou uses it in Fate, but it doesn't seem to come up in any of the chants. Also, I never really liked "My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works." Seems more like a story, not a super cool "summoning" of Unlimited Blade Works.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 23rd, 2009, 9:28 pm

The pray thing is from Archer's chant. Engrish makes no sense, so ignore it. The japanese chant is much better.

His body is made out of swords
His blood is of iron and his heart of glass
He survived through countless battles
Not even once retreating
Not even once being understood
He was always alone
Intoxicated with victory in a hill of swords
Thus, his life has no meaning
That body was certainly made out of swords
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 2:10 am

Direct English translation:

Wikipedia wrote:My body is made of swords
Iron is my blood, glass my heart
I have overcome countless battlefields undefeated.
Without once retreating.
Nor once being understood.
Always alone, intoxicated with victory on a hill of swords.
Therefore there is no meaning to that life.
Perhaps this body is nothing but a sword itself


Life is but a River.
A continuous flow,relentless till it reaches its destination.
Rocks,rapids,falls hinder not the flow of the strong.
It has its ups,and its downs.
And in the end,peacefully.......
It dissipates into to vast Ocean.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby smartazjb0y » July 24th, 2009, 3:28 am

The direct, literal translation has some nice parts, but I still like the original version better. It sounds more like a chant, and it actually says Unlimited Blade Works.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 3:35 am

smartazjb0y wrote:The direct, literal translation has some nice parts, but I still like the original version better. It sounds more like a chant, and it actually says Unlimited Blade Works.


Yeah, the only reason they translated it to the Unlimited Blade Works chant was because its sounds more like an incantation and not like the poetic story of Archer.

My body is made of swords
Iron is my blood, glass my heart
I have overcome countless battlefields undefeated.
Without once retreating.
Nor once being understood.
Always alone, intoxicated with victory on a hill of swords.
Therefore there is no meaning to that life.
Perhaps this body is nothing but a sword itself



The story:
Archer was always used like a sword.Thus, he had to be strong (made up of iron) and have no sentiments during battles(a glass heart).This blockage of emotions(notice now how similar he seems to Saber, that's how he understands her) allowed him to win countless battles, but since he was used as a tool no one understood him; some even feared him(again, like Saber).Therefore his life ended up having only one meaning, and that is being the sword of others.
Life is but a River.
A continuous flow,relentless till it reaches its destination.
Rocks,rapids,falls hinder not the flow of the strong.
It has its ups,and its downs.
And in the end,peacefully.......
It dissipates into to vast Ocean.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby smartazjb0y » July 24th, 2009, 3:47 am

Yeah, the direct translation definitely tells more of a story. Everything I can easily link all the lines to Shirou and Archer (except Intoxicated by Victory). But yeah, I guess I'm used to the chant more, even though it exaggerates some parts to make him sound more...well, GAR. I don't really like Shirou's version, since "My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" kinda ruined it. For the Archer version, I just pretend it's "Thus I pray, Unlimited Blade Works" instead of "So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works." Don't know why, I guess thus sounds better to me.

Just a random question: When do you think he made this chant? Was he bored one day or something? I can't really imagine Archer/EMIYA being all tough but thinking of an incantation in his head.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 3:52 am

This incantation is a direct reflection of his Reality Marble.
Though he could probably summon it without the chant, but since the Reality Marble is a part of Archer,
it acts as a catalyst (that seems logical to me).
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 24th, 2009, 6:05 am

I don't think Archer can get away with not chanting when deploying UBW. A deployed reality marble is in essence a barrier/bounded field, albeit a very powerful one that warps the law of nature on its inside. I don't see Archer's sorcery reaching the level of summoning a complete bounded field with a wave of the hand.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 6:27 am

Keeper of Gil's Vault wrote:I don't think Archer can get away with not chanting when deploying UBW. A deployed reality marble is in essence a barrier/bounded field, albeit a very powerful one that warps the law of nature on its inside. I don't see Archer's sorcery reaching the level of summoning a complete bounded field with a wave of the hand.


Hmm...well I thought since the Reality Marble was already created in his imagination, he should be able to use it without the need for a spell, since he managed to get far enough to even make a Reality Marble(that's high class sorcery).But the incantation would definitely speed up the summon.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 24th, 2009, 6:47 am

The UBW in his mind and the projected field of sword are somewhat different. You are right by saying Shirou can "use it", after all, his projection sorcery is the manifestation of the power of UBW. In a similar vein, Nero's beast summon is comparable to Shirou's projection --- utilizing/materializing their reality marbles with minimal penalty from the world.

However, the deployment of the whole field of sword is different. You correctly stated that UBW is already in Shirou's imagination, but the difficulty does not lie in the UBW in Shirou's mind. When Shirou deploys the full UBW, he is actually attempting to corrode the World. He alters reality by force to mirror the UBW in his mind (or you can say he overlays his imagination onto the reality). The UBW spell is essentially Shirou wrestling with the World trying to bring out what is already in his mind, rather than actually "making a reality marble". This is where the high activation/upkeep cost of UBW come from, and I don't think Archer can just bypass this process.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 7:11 am

Mmmh........We'll I know its not entirely possible that it can be summoned without a chant, as Arc can summon her Marble Phantasm instantly.Even Archer could do that, but it wouldn't be appropriate for battle, as it would take minutes, if not hours.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 24th, 2009, 7:16 am

Arc is a True Ancestor, therefore she is considered to be part of Gaia/the World. The use of Marble Phantasm to her is as natural as breathing, and whatever she summons will not be crushed by the World. The reality marble summoned by Archer, in contrast, will be relentlessly crushed by the World unless there is a sufficiently large mana input.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 7:22 am

Well, mana doesn't really come from words.The words usually act as catalysts.But heck, we'll never know the real truth, 'cause the real truth doesn't exist as this is a world of various,unexplainable theories, right?
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » July 24th, 2009, 7:27 am

Heh, if you put it that way, then I don't have much to say.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Dark_Habit » July 24th, 2009, 8:06 am

Yea, we might both be right, but at the same time wrong.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby Altima of the Gates » July 26th, 2009, 6:11 pm

Actually, I don't think that's right. As we saw when Lancer first used Gae Bolg, I do believe it was Shirou that said that words do have power weaved into them, like the activation of a true name of a Noble Phantasm. Chanting may focus ones mind on the particular exercise, but I do think the words themselves are important.
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Re: UBW chant(probable spoilers)

Unread postby SolarAdept » July 26th, 2009, 9:22 pm

Since UBW is technically Archer's NP, the chant might have power. Shirou's is just a spell(self-hypnosis/suggestion).
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