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Magic Circuits

Posted: July 1st, 2009, 4:58 pm
by SolarAdept
Can someone have none? I mean someone like Shinji for example.

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 1st, 2009, 8:21 pm
by solopy567
Normal humans with no connection to magical families have non as far as i know

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 1st, 2009, 9:20 pm
by SolarAdept
Not exactly correct - I checked fuyuki and apparently most humans have some(normal humans tend to have less then 10) and the magi lineages have more simply cuz they do selective breeding. Well, thanks though.

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 2nd, 2009, 7:40 am
by nanaya_shinya
Shinji has some, they're just "off".
Take Shirou's example, there's no clear indication that he's actually from a family of magus before being adopted by Kiritsugu.
There's also what Aozaki Tohko said (iirc), "Everyone can learn sorcery, but not everyone can have psychic abilities". (I'm sure that's not exactly how it goes but you get the point)

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 2nd, 2009, 12:18 pm
by SolarAdept
If Shinji had any, he'd be able to turn them on, since he has all the knowledge necessary. The Matou family's magic circuits died out, as a lot of people said, making it zero.

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 2nd, 2009, 12:58 pm
by nanaya_shinya
Magic Circuits dying does not necessarily mean that it's completely erased. It could mean that the magic circuit can no longer be used, despite the having knowledge to use it.

You can't turn a light bulb (magic circuit) on if it died even if you know how to turn it on (knowledge). You'll have to change the it first. Unfortunately, magic circuits cannot be replaced normally. You'll have to do some drastic changes first.
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Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 2nd, 2009, 4:40 pm
by SolarAdept
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Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 3rd, 2009, 6:18 am
by nanaya_shinya
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I wish Kinoko Nasu was here to explain things for us...

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 3rd, 2009, 10:12 am
by Uberoy
nanaya_shinya wrote:I wish Kinoko Nasu was here to explain things for us...
Yeah... If he only were a mirrormoon member...

Anyway.
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Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 3rd, 2009, 11:01 am
by nanaya_shinya
Uberoy wrote: Yeah... If he only were a mirrormoon member...

Anyway.
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oh, you mean
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Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 3rd, 2009, 2:49 pm
by SolarAdept
Aozaki Tohko: 20 Magic Circuits. She is the first in the history of her family with so much Magic Circuits. Her parents had none whatsoever and it has been implied that her sister does not have much more than them.
Now what do you say to this? From the wikia TM wiki.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Circuit

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 5:04 am
by nanaya_shinya
Then that means Tohko's wrong.

Oh, and you just answered your own question.
SolarAdept wrote:Can someone have none? I mean someone like Shinji for example.
Because as you said, the Aozaki sister's parents have none. Because apparently, the parents did indeed have none. (As stated in TM wiki)

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 11:44 am
by SolarAdept
Usage of sorcery and having circuits is not the same. Even people with no magic circuits can recite a spell and have a certain effect. It's called 'Magecraft user'. Just like Shirou wanted to be. IIRC, Kiritsugu thought that Shirou had no circuits so he had him use magecraft related to his origin.

I mean, circuits are more of a filter to use Mana for magecraft than an actual requirement - magecraft users can just use their Od for small-scale sorceries.

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 12:35 pm
by nanaya_shinya
Hmm.. I can't see how this is relevant to the the question which is...
SolarAdept wrote:Can someone have none?
It is already proven that some can have no Magic Circuits.


Is it time to move on to discussing more about Magic Circuits all in all?

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 12:37 pm
by SolarAdept
Don't be so uptight about everything. Forums are made for discussions after all XD

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 4th, 2009, 12:42 pm
by nanaya_shinya
I can't help it, I just did it on impulse.

Maybe I did it for the sake of arguement... I guess. XD

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 5th, 2009, 3:56 am
by shirou12
well IMHO, magic circuits let the user cast major spells, the effect of their spells are depending on their magic circuits they have.

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 5th, 2009, 8:43 am
by SolarAdept
Your opinion is wrong. The effect of the same spell is the same for magi of different strengths. Spells are a method to regulate a thaumaturgical action, which means the power is the same for anyuser.

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 5th, 2009, 2:59 pm
by s4itox
SolarAdept wrote:Your opinion is wrong. The effect of the same spell is the same for magi of different strengths. Spells are a method to regulate a thaumaturgical action, which means the power is the same for anyuser.
I read somewhere that a battle of magecraft wasn't so much a battle of the people, but the battle of the thaumaturgy behind them (TM wikia, perhaps?). This is probably me misinterpreting it, but shouldn't the power be different for different users (example, imagine a Tohsaka Gandr vs a Shirou [if he ever learned one] Gandr) since the power would probably change depending on the amount the incantation changes the user?

Re: Magic Circuits

Posted: July 8th, 2009, 9:37 pm
by SolarAdept
That line is heavily mistranslated.
After a certain point of development, differences between power and even between Magic and Thaumaturgy start to lose their importance in practical terms. A battle between two great Magi will not be decided by their power, but by who possesses the system whose rules has the fewer tears. Not the power behind them, but the concepts they work under.
That's the line you ight've wanted to use.

Also:
Spells have predetermined capacities; so the powers of a particular spell will always remain the same, no matter which magus use it.