Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

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Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Soulshade » May 9th, 2009, 3:33 am

Ok i got a lil question. funny thing is illya at the end of ep 14 says that archer kills berserker 5 times. But the thing is all i counted were 4 kills, i'll label them.

1: calabolg II arrow form. np here
2: the combined first pair and second pair of KnB exploding onto berserker, the first pair dont count since all they did was bounce off berserker.
3: Crane Wing Overedge
4: UBW

Correct me if there were things that i missed
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby WakuWaku » May 9th, 2009, 7:13 am

Since we don't actually see what happens inside UBW, it can count for as many kills as needed.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby shirou12 » May 9th, 2009, 8:45 am

I think he was killed 2 times inside the UBW.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby uriel » May 9th, 2009, 9:39 am

Soulshade wrote:Ok i got a lil question. funny thing is illya at the end of ep 14 says that archer kills berserker 5 times. But the thing is all i counted were 4 kills, i'll label them.

1: calabolg II arrow form. np here
2: the combined first pair and second pair of KnB exploding onto berserker, the first pair dont count since all they did was bounce of berserker.
3: Crane Wing Overedge
4: UBW

Correct me if there were things that i missed


I think he killed berserker only once outside UBW (the third in your list)
Caladbolg 2 is not strong enough to kill him (or harm him)
The same for the explosion
After all, he regenerated only once.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Soulshade » May 9th, 2009, 10:08 am

uriel wrote:
Soulshade wrote:Ok i got a lil question. funny thing is illya at the end of ep 14 says that archer kills berserker 5 times. But the thing is all i counted were 4 kills, i'll label them.

1: calabolg II arrow form. np here
2: the combined first pair and second pair of KnB exploding onto berserker, the first pair dont count since all they did was bounce of berserker.
3: Crane Wing Overedge
4: UBW

Correct me if there were things that i missed


I think he killed berserker only once outside UBW (the third in your list)
Caladbolg 2 is not strong enough to kill him (or harm him)
The same for the explosion
After all, he regenerated only once.


u sure about the calabolg 2? there was like massive explosion after it hits plus the arrow forced berserker to block. archer did mention that it can 1 hit KO average servants. btw do u think at the end where the swords were stuck inside berserker might have played a part? after all caliburn impaling berserker took 7 of his lives
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Chaos Chaud » May 9th, 2009, 11:31 am

If I remember correctly, Berserker died 1 time with Crane Wing Overedge, 5 times with UBW, 1 time with Tohsaka's Jewels and 7 times with Caliburn. A total of 14 lives, leaving him with -2...
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby AlinSabel » May 9th, 2009, 12:19 pm

He regenerates lives over time, or so I heard.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Kid-Wolf » May 9th, 2009, 1:53 pm

He probably recovered two of his lives between Archer and Rin, Shirou, and Saber. Besides Just like everyone else stated before me he did only get killed once outside of UBW. It was the part where he though he messed up on his attack.

In any case managing to try and take on a beast that could kill you in an instant, and managing to take out a few of his 12 lives in the porcess, and finally dying like a man should on the battlefied is the basics of being GAR I would say.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby uriel » May 9th, 2009, 4:06 pm

AlinSabel wrote:He regenerates lives over time, or so I heard.


He can over time, but Ilya was so pissed of that she didn't let him recover
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Kid-Wolf » May 9th, 2009, 4:43 pm

Well she did let him recover just enough for them to start on thier persuit. Although she was angry on how he let GARcher kill him a few times. Not only that but he was technically nothing more then a Counter GARdian to begin with.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby TheRedArcher » May 9th, 2009, 6:47 pm

I think in the fight before Archer activated UBW, Berserker didn't even get hurt. It would very impressive for a regular servant to take off one life, so Ilya would be really surprised if the no-name servant was able to kill him once (before activating UBW). If Archer kept taking off lives from Berserker every 20 seconds, I think Ilya would be somewhat worried.

If Berserker can regenerate lives, I don't think he had enough time to regenerate them. I think that Caliburn just had enough energy to kill Berserker 7 times. Like how a kamehameha blast from Goku has enough power to kill me a million times over, even when I only have one life.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Chaos Chaud » May 9th, 2009, 7:43 pm

I agree with the non-regenerating lives thing, but I think in the anime is mentioned that he is killed one time before UBW...
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Soulshade » May 10th, 2009, 2:06 am

argh this is y the anime fails compared to the game, cant properly explains things :\
ok lets count this up, 5 lives from archer, 1 from rin and 7 from caliburn making a total of 13, isnt that a bit weird since theres an extra kill that wasnt needed?
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Chaos Chaud » May 10th, 2009, 3:36 am

I think even in the game he loses extra-lives though...
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Soulshade » May 10th, 2009, 4:15 am

yea i think its pretty much the same though, funny how creators cant do proper subtraction to get things right XD
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby -Shiki- » May 10th, 2009, 4:51 am

Well, i think, they just overkilled him..Nothing to care about with calculations..Its like you got stabbed with caliburn..You have 1 life only.. So does being stabbed by caliburn justifies that you have 7 lives? Well...Thats what i think...
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby SolarAdept » May 10th, 2009, 7:50 am

Actually, I believe that in the anime, Rin's attack was futile.
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby Soulshade » May 10th, 2009, 8:23 am

SolarAdept wrote:Actually, I believe that in the anime, Rin's attack was futile.


eh wat r u talking about, her gems practically torn off berserkers face. u could clearly see it growing back cause of it
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby metal_cocoabo » May 11th, 2009, 2:17 pm

TheRedArcher wrote:Like how a kamehameha blast from Goku has enough power to kill me a million times over, even when I only have one life.


...Or can heal you / revive the dead, at least according to the DBZ movie that doesn't exist. But anyway..

TheRedArcher wrote:If Berserker can regenerate lives, I don't think he had enough time to regenerate them. I think that Caliburn just had enough energy to kill Berserker 7 times.


I never really understood that part. The VN doesn't really explain it (or did, but I just forgot about it.) How does *one* stab from Caliburn outkill UBW?! That whole scene felt like Deus Ex Machina to me. It would have made more sense for Saber to battle Berserker a bit before killing him with Caliburn. I dunno, at least one slash per life? Instead of one stab and Berserker dies from the power of friendship or whatever. Archer should have a copy of Caliburn somewhere in UBW since he was Saber's master as preGAR-Shiro. Why didn't he just use it if it was that powerful?
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Re: Archers Kills on Berserker in anime (Spoilers i think)

Unread postby nanaya_shinya » May 11th, 2009, 2:24 pm

metal_cocoabo wrote: Archer should have a copy of Caliburn somewhere in UBW since he was Saber's master as preGAR-Shiro. Why didn't he just use it if it was that powerful!


Because he is just an owner.
He won't be able to do the 1 stab = 7 lives like he did with Saber.

Well, it's the only theory that I could think of.
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