I forgot how much I love writing lengthy posts.
Inverted: For some reason, I get Kirit and Kirei mixed in my head alot. That's my bad. >_>
3. How many times do I have to say this? I'm not calling her unselfish. I infact stated there can be no such thing.
I'm merely stating she is perhaps the least selfish of the three Main Heroines.
4. I forgot what I was trying to prove. Shows how important that was. lol
5. Was pointless to begin with. This one actually came out of a single line that "HF is the only route that does not produce a Fail or Emo shirou.
". A single unserious line.
As for my "Dick"ness:
I don't consider being a "Dick" or a "Bitch". In truth, I have no such feelings when I type normally. However, I type in an aggressive tone. I suppose this may sometimes come accross incorrectly. Like getting a warning for the "ANY QUESTIONS BITCHS!?" statement. Well, how you take my statements is up to you.
If you read me while thinking I'm furious, you're bound to see most of my statements as "Dick"like. If you read me as being unserious and relaxed, you're bound to laugh a few times.
More promptly, I think someone needs to define "Maturity".
If you have no guidelines for what is something, anyone can come and say it is something else. For example, someone might say a "Noble Phantasm" is "A technique or special power a Servant uses or has possession of." and thus because of the vague definition, someone else could come up and calls Saber's Mana Burst a Noble Phantasm.
So until the moderation staff comes out and would be kind enough to distinctly state what is and is not "Mature", I won't change because there's nothing to change into. If a math problem is "4+X=Y What is Y?" you cannot figure out what Y is because you do not know what X is. Y could be any number higher, lower, or equal to 4.
If there was some topic about what "Maturity" is defined as in this forum, and I missed it, I would appreciate someone linking me to it.
I don't care if you ban me right after letting me read that topic or list of what is/isn't "Maturity", but I would Love for anyone to provide such a list.
Let's clarify, I am not a serious person, nor is anything I say accompanied by a fair amount of serious-ness. But neither do I intend to insult people seriously. Unless it's a very large group including myself. Such as statements "Ha! You fail at failing life!" or "Everyone fails in one way or another..."
Protip: "Any mod that bans me fails at not knowing how to ban." D:
However, when I have a point to make, I make it using whatever means are needed. If there are multiple means, I will choose the means I find most enjoyable.
I'm not trying to offend you, but saying "Calm Down" to someone most be the most concrete examples of and Irony.
People rarely know about the irony of such. The truthful reprocautions of their actions. It's Ironic because...Telling someone to "Calm Down" will almost Always infuriate them moreso.
You tell someone happy as can be to "Calm Down" and their happy mood will often drop even slightly. Tell a neutral person to "Calm Down" and they will often be angered. Tell an actually infuriated person to "Calm Down" and they will splodes.
Generally though, I am rather Calm. If the countless puns, jokes(some decrete), and references were not a hint enough, then I will say it bluntly:
*Fixes glasses* I am seriously unserious.
My points and statements may have serious value and truth to them, but they are stated unseriously.
So while I will, perhaps one might say, "Overact" to that single line of yours, I will do so happily because I'm informing you of something.
However, a phrase I've found that gets the INTENDED reaction that "Calm Down" seeks is "Consider This..."
Could be something about the pronounciation of "Consider This", how rarely the phrase is said, who knows.
But it noticeabley will actually calm people, even if only very minorly.
About Sakura's Morality: I offered an option besides one that resulted in your opinoin stated her a whore. Still, I'm glad all three of my guesses were wrong. I truely would have thought bad of you twere my guess correct.
But as for what you were actually refering to as her 'Morality':
Is it not stated that she DID try to commit suicide several times in her past, only for "The Shadow" to stop her?
Infact, I think it was even already stated in this topic.
Perhaps the option of killing herself is not an option.
Is this not shown when Shirou does consider killing her? How she pleads as to why he wouldn't go through with it?
In the case she does not have the option of killing herself, what then? How do you define her Morality then?
Is she forsaken from having any bit of morality?
Or is she granted as having Morality for merely wanted to stop the suffering of those around her by dieing in any manner?
Plus, may I point out the scene with Gilgamesh? He practically
DID kill her, atleast moreso than any suicide method she could have attempted.
And what happened? Ah yes, she lived.
Plus, I think she does not have conscience control of "The Shadow" until after her Gilgamesh meeting. I could be wrong on this.
So one could easily say that Saber was not her conscious fault. Indirectly her fault, even.
She's possessive. And? So is Rin. She's jealous? So is EVERYBODY if such cases happen. In sakura's case, her jealousy was the only feeling left
between becoming the heir of the matous and meeting shirou. Jealousy of Rin. It's not because of Shirou she was jealous of Rin. She was jealous from the start.
The Natural Genius child, everything came naturally to her. Practically the Idol of her school. Was the sister the Tohsaka family kept
while discarding Sakura(from her perspective probably). I'm sure there's more reasons too.
The way I see it, Sakura is the only character who really had a chance to express her jealousy.
Saber didn't have anything to be jealous of, and by the time she wanted shirou, he was so into her there was no chance for losing him.
Rin is much the same for the most part.
Sakura is the only character who truely had anything to be Jealous of, and much of it.
If Sakura is a Jealous type character, I find no reason to blame her for it. She's practically maintained herself with it for most her life.
Saying there's something wrong with Jealous is like saying there's something wrong with Hunger.
allanh wrote:Sigh, how does a Saber-appreciation thread turn into Sakura-thread?
By not naming it correctly. The topic is not "My thoughts on Saber/Game Endings" it's about "Heroines". Multiples.
So when you said ANYTHING bad about ANY Heroine, that heroine's fanboys would have rose up with caffine-inflicted RAGE.
Plus, there was an issue of bad timing on your part.
We went through the "I hate rin" topic, and recently the "Saber: What's the Appeal?" topic, which meant we were due for a "dood sakura is fail" topic.
You could say your topic was a casuality of the incomplete pyramid.
allanh wrote:She only pissed me off when Type Moon forced us in the Heavens Feel route to side with her all the time as Shirou.
How did that piss you off exactly? It's the same as when Type-Moon forced Saber on us in the Fate Route, or when they forced Rin on us in the Unlimited Blade Works route, or best of all: When they forced shirou on us for ANY of the routes.
Forcing a heroine on you when it's Her route is natural for ANY Visual Novel generally...
I dislike rin. But I had no problem with her in the UBW route. Because it's her route. It's for her. It certainly was more forced on you than Heaven's Feel. Considering you practically MUST go through Rin's route to get to Sakura's. Sakura's route is not forced on you at all unless you want to 100% the game.
Honestly, if there was something I disliked about the series, it was the favouritism that Shirou showed Saber. That annoys me.
I have no problem with Saber's character, it's a beautiful character. And Rin's character may be annoying to be, but she's a beautiful character too.
But there was another heroine. That annoys me. It's like Arcruied Favouritism in Tsukihime.
The way I see it, the main character should prefer each character equally before you make your choices.
Read through UBW or HF and you'll notice Shirou still holds a heavy biased view on Saber. Same with Rin in Fate and HF. But sakura is discluded from that.
In Fate and ubw, Sakura is just THERE. As a neighbor. "Oh look, proof of the city I must protect!"
To be completely honest, I might just prefer Saber over Sakura as far as Characters go. But how you speak of Sakura is akin to how I previously spoke of Rin. In my mind it's not something I can stand by and let happen so easily. Because it reeks of the same ignorant hatred I had when I made the "I hate Rin" topic.
Maybe I'm harsh at times with my words on accident. But my words do catch your attention, right? You said yourself you already have a slightly improved view of Sakura.
Perhaps you could say it is that I feel I can relate to your situation that makes me perhaps somewhat harsher on you than normal.
I hated Rin in the same ignorant and unjustified way you hated Sakura at the start of this topic.
By the end of my topic, I finally came out as "Neutral" on Rin. I find her personality annoying at some times, but I certainly have no real problem with her anymore.
I would hope that you should find a similiar end to this topic. An end that changes your view on her for the better.
About the use of "We":
I use "We" often as a replacement for "I". I make a conscious decision to avoid doing that too much in forums, but it is something I enjoy doing in any other media.
So every so often I slip up and use "We". I don't care to think of the reason, it's just how things are.
You could say it's something akin to a Royal person uses "We" instead of "I". Or "Us" instead of "Me".
Infact, you could say that is exactly how it is.
About Wapanese use:
It annoys me that you speak like that. But I have no control over you to stop. So why comment on such? If you truely don't care, then ignore the pity comment.
About HF Ending: Meh. Like I said, I could not say. The ending is as ambiguous as if Black Sakura wins. I wanna know what happens and how she tortures all mankind!
Possible Last Post:
I may or not be banned for this post. So I gotta say this now while I can. I've said what I wanted to say. As I always do and will always do.
If you're insulted by what I said, there's a good chance that's your fault for taking it in that manner.
So I guess here goes:
It's been fun. Your translations are pretty well done. And I suppose I owe gratification for bringing people to the Fate community.
Your forums are organized, and there's a impressive number of level-headed or intellectual people here.
The rules are fair, as is the staff.
You've helped me with laughs a few times, and you've given me arguements I could actually enjoy instead of making everyone give up.
If I'm banned, then I'm banned. It's as simple as that.
But I am most sure I am not the only person you'll misunderstand as flaming or trolling people, no matter the reason.
So I would still appreciate if you could come up with a guideline on "Maturity", maybe sticky it?
I'd also appreciate if you just Locked my account rather than blocking my ip or any such method.
It's not like I'm going to be able to secretly sign up and keep posting.
Come on, who else types THIS MUCH?
You've got my email if you want to talk to me after my ban.
So just incase I'm banned: See ya wiLLoLwoou.
Extra Note: Let's reframe from anyone daring to say I have a "I don't care attitude", shall we?
I do care. I care about this conversation and everything that takes place in it. It is a beautiful work of art.
The passion and ideals and thoughts of one colliding and crashing against another.
To me, this is a form of entertainment akin to people who watch the "Superbowl" but NOT for the commericals(Coke won btw).