Thoughts on Heroines/Endings of FSN (spoilers)

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Re: Thoughts on Heroines/Endings of FSN (spoilers)

Unread post by Rein » August 8th, 2009, 5:34 am

smartazjb0y wrote:
The fact that he gave up on his childish dream is supposedly adult-like and mature.
Not to ruin your interesting convo about video game development, but I just wanted to say something. Couldn't giving everything up for a girl be seen as immature? Parents these days are going on and on about how teens don't know what real love is and etc.
Hmm, that is also a very good point. I hadn't really thought of it that way...
I would say that yes, his decision to throw everything away for a girl he thinks he loves is very immature, but the process by which he deals with it through both his actions and thoughts are much more mature than the other routes. I mean, several times throughout HF he even says to himself how he will probably regret it later and that its probably not a good idea etc, but he felt like it was the right thing to do. Very immature, yes, but less childish than his original ideals. Whether or not thats a good thing is up to interpretation...
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Re: Thoughts on Heroines/Endings of FSN (spoilers)

Unread post by Oolinthu » August 8th, 2009, 2:31 pm

Personally, I think any arguments over who's more mature are pointless and asinine from the get-go. The concept of "Maturity" is completely subjective, and when the term is used by most people, it generally refers to whatever they agree with. The discussion goes nowhere. What matters is which Shirou is more compelling. In my opinion UBW Shirou is the most compelling. Fate Shirou is oblivious, and HF Shirou ceases to be an interesting or unique character, and becomes just another morally ambiguous anti-hero - and those are a dime a dozen.

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Unread post by smartazjb0y » August 10th, 2009, 12:31 am

Yeah, I don't see the debate about maturity going anywhere really. And your opinion about the 3 Shiro's is exactly mine.

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Re: Thoughts on Heroines/Endings of FSN (spoilers)

Unread post by radical_number6 » August 14th, 2009, 6:51 pm

allanh wrote:I have just completed the game, FSN including all the Tiger dojo scenes. I watched anime prior (that's how I got hooked in the first place).
I just have some random thoughts the endings of each scenario (routes) and characters of heroines.

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Anyway, thanks for reading through my ramblings. Just a way to express my appreciation of this great Visual Novel.
its been months since my last visits. i know im late and i only read the first page. the posts itself were huge so i only read parts of each posts on the first page but the thing im about to say may had been said on latter pages but what the hell, eh?

to the TC, that resides in taiwan/aus, im guessing english is not your first language. you, my dear, is a very bad reader. about your fate impression: shirou inadvertently convinced saber that she did no wrong when she was king. i can tell you which part of the game that happen but im not gonna. so that's one that you got wrong. as for the other things you said, its all about feelings. different people might read wrongly and might placed their own perception of the characters feeling might be but my god, in a story and only the true story, the story is gonna tell you what the characters feeling, not you. although some stories have parts that are purposely open ended for discussions but this aint a book. its a visual novel and the story was a straight as an arrow. no discussions. only the truth speaks the loudest!!! moving on, now that you should know shirou 'convinced' saber, given the option, she would still go. as shirou said himself, he wouldnt allow himself to soil saber's dignity and all that, saber herself wouldnt want that. those two characters got so much morals, you didnt see. i think you're a little bit in denial coz you want saber to stay. but beside all that, the tainted grail need to be destroy, saber had to go, whether she likes it or not. saber wont use the tainted grail for a wish to stay. something bad may happen. its tainted you know. you like saber so much you willing to soil her dignity as a knight?? of her honor and pride??? i dont even know what those two words meant but i heard thats the way people say it on tv. so no grail to save her. and rin is not her master like in ubw where she can supply her with mana. saber just had to go, to continue, to return to her timeline, to die. one last thing about shirou too happy after saber left. i think shirou is just strong inside, whatever it maybe, mentally or emotionally it doesnt matter. he accepts that sabers gone and he moves on. as simple as that. he'll always that he used to love her tho,as he said. i dont quite remember, but did shirou mention that the past two weeks were like a dream??? i suppose all VN have a timespan of around 2 weeks. anyway, nvm the last part. thats it, then. i guess. also, TC, you no good at reading. read slowly.

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Unread post by ragna92 » August 20th, 2011, 11:15 pm

I like Rin the best from the three. Although I like her true/good ending the best, I think the ending most suited for Fate stay night was heavens feel true ending. Saber was an ok heroine, but I actually like her better in the other routes where she wasn't the heroine.

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Unread post by goforit1 » September 15th, 2011, 12:06 am

I hate Sakura so much that I still haven't even finished Heaven's Feel.... And I've had F/SN since before MM released the UBW translation.

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(No spoils thoese are my opinions, and you can see it starting from day 1 of Fate route.)

She's just a terrible character, and even if she changes at the end, it doesn't make up for the painful stuff that she makes me go through in Fate, UBW, and especially HF. Through all 3 arcs I've always hated her, she's worthless, spineless, and ruins Shirou's personality compared to the other 2 heroines.

She makes him into a wuss who just wants to run away and cook/live a boring life. Compare to everyone else in the entire universe who's trying to get him off his ass, it really makes me hate her so much.

I played the other 2 arcs religiously, devouring their content as fast as I could. I couldn't even bring myself to click on the "good" choices in Heaven's Feel past the first day or two. I'll probably finish it eventually, but not until the Fate/HA translation is completely done or something (since I want to complete the content before moving on to the next section). I love the heroines in the Fate and Unlimited Blade Works routes, and that drove me to every nook and cranny of those parts of the game, but Heaven's Feel just makes me want to either heave or slap the heroine.

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Unread post by Kid-Wolf » October 3rd, 2011, 11:11 pm

Ummm.... I'm not sure why.... wait I can guess on why you hate Sakura. Pretty much she's a girl that was pretty much broken in mind, body, and sprit until metting Shirou. Also, Skaura's route is basically what the Grail War's mechanics are all about and kind of shows that she pretty much went though hell on earth ever since the 4th Grail War begain.

Pretty much Sakura is a broken girl that felt like she was a normal girl when she was around Shirou and quite frankly she didn't want him to get hurt even if he was doing his best to try and save her. The only problem is she was too scared on what he would of thought if she mentioned that she was a Master as well. Although, wishful thinking here I'm sure Shirou would of welcomed her helping him out more than being man-handled by Rin.

Ok now to the UBW Route. Pretty much it focused on how GAR Shirou, GARcher, and Lancer were over how interesting Rin was. She pretty much took a back seat over showing off the backgound of Shirou himself here.

Now back up to Fate the only thing I can say is I have no complaints about it since it made sense on how it only had one end here.
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Unread post by LIGHTDX » January 30th, 2012, 6:10 am

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To be honest the only rute i really liked was UBW. Saber route was just fine to me. I didn't liked Sakura rute, but was interesting. But I loved UBW rute at the point that i play it a second time and when i see the icon of the game i think it wouldn't be bad if i play UWB again one of those days. (That never come, but i feel it) The true end is the best to me.

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Unread post by Agailius » January 31st, 2012, 7:35 am

Man... I didn't know Sakura was such a broken base in the fandom.
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Unread post by Mudmagic123 » April 3rd, 2012, 12:45 am

It's ok Ilya I still think that you would be a great route in FSN T.T

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Unread post by Kid-Wolf » April 3rd, 2012, 3:12 am

Mudmagic123 wrote:It's ok Ilya I still think that you would be a great route in FSN T.T
Uh... yeah... she was going to have one, but Sakura kind fo took over that entire idea you know.... Well that's what they say in certain Tiger Doujos about Illya having a route at first. Still if you ask me I wanted my House Wife Caster storyline if possible, since she kind of needed one. :p
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Unread post by gunblade » April 3rd, 2012, 3:58 pm

Just gonna have to make do with Ataraxia I'm afraid...

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Re: Thoughts on Heroines/Endings of FSN (spoilers)

Unread post by astalotte » April 22nd, 2014, 8:13 pm

Allanh i know how you feel so badly! Saber is just soooo cute expecially when she says something serious but you just can't help but look at her ahoge and adore her!

Any way,
Fate; By far my favourite route, it has more romance than the other routes, two good h scenes and an awesome main heroine. The ending is very sad but saber's majestic,kawaii moe-tsunness and realta make up for it.

UBW;Now who cant love rin? Typical tsundere. Personally i prefer archer more than shirou→ shirou is way to naïve and on the other hand, archer has experience.Also i prefer ignorant types like archer e.g.;
Ikuto(shugo chara)zero(vampire knight)usui(kaichou maid sama)
i think rin and archer make a better match cos ther both sarcastic, ignorant, daring and tsundere.I loved the ending, yes saber gets to stay!

HF; I didnt really like this route but that dosent mean i hate sakura. Most people her because 1)she made shirou kill saber- so sad
2)she i over protective of shirou
3)shirou only liked her because of the h scenes.The end i hate *sob sob* my kawaii ojou and o/hime are gone - ilya and saber *sob sob*

My fav heroine is clearly arturia second is rin.i I think saber and gil make a better match than with shirou-both kings, both good-looking,both have lots of pride but 1 destroyed their country and the other was destroyed by the country. Rin is an epic tsundere and makes a better match with archer.Sakura is a moe yandere but wouldn't work with shirou as they are incompatible.
illya would match up with sasha the matyr/alexander nikoleivich hell from seikon no qwaser- both russian, both have white hair, both loli's, both a major part of story, both in a story that involve ero to get power mana/soma.

Allanh dont you think; if arturia and kona-chan from lucky star ever met, that they would go straight to staring at each others' ahoge? no one in fsn except for saber had one and vice versa for kona-chan in lucky star.

In f/z if they kept arturia in the world, she would become ilya's nee-san and illya would be her imouto!kya~~~~~they're soooo kawaii together XD

Caster(medea); asta-chan i've got some new arturia merchandise.
Astalotte;*drooling* hmm vulnerable worm covered h wanting saber. It couldnt get any better.
Caster(medea); *drool*so true asta-chan.
Saber;walks in.
Caster(medea)& Astalotte; kyaaaaa saber in the fleshhh~~~~~*nose bleed*

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