Watashimo wrote:So far Rikh and Raitei keep stating the exact same reasons over and over for why Shinji isn't an epic fail and everyone destroys their arguments with logic. In all the Shinji-defending posts I've only noticed like one or two variations in your points or a different wording of existing points. Let me restate again why Shinji is normal. I've only posted it like 20 times and yet the defense team seems to always skip over my posts.
1.Hes only popular because hes (supposedly) good-looking. -Yah, his charisma and attitude that he puts up also is a factor here-
2.He has 0 magic circuits and only has magic knowledge. -Yet he is able to cast spells... with or without support, he still requires ability
3.His ONLY fighting skill is Archery. - And magic
4.He never received formal magus training, as stated in HF. - Ok... well he knows as much as the average magus, and he has learned how to use magic... although he cannot physically do so
5.He would never make fake circuits because NOBODY (except maybe Kiritsugu) teaches that because the risk far outweighs the gain (the circuits are only TEMPORARY after all, even if Shinji made one, he would have ONE magic circuit for a short period of time) - Not to mention Shirou and Rin would NEVER teach him. - Umm... the fact is, he is able to. If he applies the circuits correctly, he can cast a limited amount of spells for combat use. And i am just stating that IF he was on GOOD terms with shiro and rin, they might teach him if zoken wouldnt... it was just an example
6.He is far too arrogant to effectively use pathetic methods like hostages. - He is arrogant, but the fact is he puts up a horrible act. Shinji wont kill people he cares about (at least not himself) . He will spend more time to convert them to his side
7.He is far too cowardly to effectively fight at all. -Umm... he is only cowardly when he loses... And honestly, can you say if your in a lose lose situation, you would not react cowardly as well?
.Shinji is Shinji is Shinji is Shinji. His bad up-bringing does not justify his actions - Excuse me? of course it does not justify his actions... but it is the 95% influencing factor in them. Shinji grew up in a twisted life style filled with inferiority complexes and regret. Of course he is given a chance to become something great in life... but that chance is literally ripped from him. Nothing justifies his actions, but his actions CAN BE EXPLAINED
Im not performing an unlimited quote works again... so you can read edits i did to your post
Shinji is NOT better than Tohsaka or Shirou combat wise. He cannot even hope to match a servant. Shinji however just has more ability than people say he does. Shinji at the end of UBW starts becoming a much better person after learning his lesson. Although Shinji has extremely limited potential as a mage, who can only use fake temporary circuits... he still has the ability to be a magus
Shinji can choose the most likely-to-win outcome, and he will keep his pride even on defeat. Even if he is cowardly and runs away, at least he is able to survive and come back again with a next attack. If you were defeated so easily, such as in UBW... i guarantee you that YOU would NOT go back and fight like Shinji would. Shinji went back and fought with a servant he had never met, nor known the abilities of. Shinji has bravery in many cases.
Shinji is a normal person who... like shiro has lost something important to him. Shiro if affected the same way shinji was, would turn out exactly the same. You SAW how powerful the influence of others around you was in HF. It mad shiro turn into a person who accepted loving and protecting a killer... on HF terms, shiro was much more evil than shinji, as he knew what happened, and refused to kill sakura. I dont know about you, but Shinji was NOT responsible for the deaths of hundreds and hundreds of people (although he was responsible for weakening of several people, and damage from spells during various routes)