Rikh wrote:well its only really implied avalon is in his body, and im just stating that Archer is stronger than people might think. After all, he was fully ready to fight against Saber and use UBW within like 2 minutes after his fight with Lancer, which was an impressive feat.
also your implying Archer is able to still use Avalon to heal his wounds. If thats true, then Archer could have just traced it during the fight, seeing as he would be able to use avalon without a connection to saber
First, it is clear that Archer does not know about the details
of Avalon. If not, like said many times before, he could just tell Shirou to trace it and/or give it back to Saber instead of talking shit like "Emiya Shirou is the natural enemy of King of Heroes; only you can defeat him, etc, etc..". He has infinite experiences of battles anyway, which would mean he knew it's the best way of kicking Gil's arse instead of risking a fight like the UBW Final.
Im not overestimating him, im just stating that if Archer pulled out his trump cards at once, Lancer can be beaten by him. Archer had a large amount of BP left to use, and enough strength to activate UBW. While lancer exhausted his NP's ability and was only left with regular attacks in the end. Under normal circumstances, Archer>Lancer. If its a range fight however, its lancers victory due to Lancers almost impenetrable immunity to ranged attacks.
Lancer's the best dasher in the game; Archer would not have the time to aim the Broken Phantasm at him and would be screwed the moment he decided to do so. The best he can hope is holding him off in a melee combat, while waiting for his opponent to make mistakes and seize his openings. Or maybe he can trace Caladbolg (the original) and make Lancer kneel before it. Oh, and since Broken Phantasms explode
, Protection against Projectiles is pretty much useless. But Lancer can still dodge it by dashing or jumping.
Oh, and don't you seem to reverse the position of Archer vs Lancer? If it's under normal circumstances, Lancer would win. But if it's ranged fight, Archer would win. He's Archer anyways. Lancer's one of the best Servants in the game you know. Some nameless, average Hero like Archer is no fair comparison for him to begin with under "normal circumstances".