I should point out that Im not particularly sensitive about the whole sexism issue. It has to be laid on pretty thick for me to care and as this is the case I find it incomprehensible that you think Shirou isnt at least a little sexist. Considering the patriarchal nature of Japanese society it would be odd if he wasnt at least a little sexist in outlook - I just happen to think he's extremely sexist. I also think its an extremely generous reading of the text to say that he doesnt belittle Saber or her abilities. He doesnt want her to fight because she is a frail little girl (there are numerous areas in the text where he goes on about how weedy and frail she is) - he's clearly a chauvinst as he discriminates againsts Saber based purely on her gender. I dont have a particular stake in convincing people of my opinion that hes sexist so I'll bow out with this (apologies if this seems like Im running off with my fingers in my ears ) ).Watashimo wrote: But, this isn't about Tsukihime, its about F/SN. I personally really like Shirou. I don't think Shirou is sexist. He doesn't belittle Saber or say that she is incapable. He just doesn't want to see a girl fight. I'm not sure why you think that is sexist.
Im sorry to disagree with you again; I think Shirou is quite clearly stupid. To address your arguement on two levels. Firstly Shirou quite often makes foolish decisions that have nothing to do with his morals e.g. his decision to go and see Kirei by himself - these is no moral imperative to the action he simply wants information and willfully discards the instructions from Saber (cause she's a girl ) ) and Rin not to go out alone as well as the evidence that bad shit happens when he goes out alone - this is basically textbook stupidity. Secondly, even when he does make decisions based on his morals they are still stupid decisions we simply know the reason for it. Much as I dislike quoting things in friendly discussion I think this may be relevant -Watashimo wrote:
Also, after playing the game I couldn't really call Shirou stupid anymore. He does think things out, as displayed by his innumerable inner monologues, he just makes choices based on his morals rather than whats the most reasonable. I personally don't think theres anything wrong with this. Its actually what most people do. As I've experienced, most people do not act on reason but emotion. Not to mention Shirou automatically and unconsciously places more value on the life of others over his own, which can't be helped because of his past.
"Stupidity (also called fatuity) is the property a person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities. Stupidity is distinct from irrationality because stupidity denotes an incapability or unwillingness to properly consider the relevant information. "
I think its quite clear that Shirou evidences a marked "incapability or unwillingness to properly consider the relevant information." ergo he is stupid. As you say above, his stupid decisions are often generated by his staunch moral beliefs - this is a rather common characteristic of shounen protagonists. Its not necessarily a bad thing and can often generate empathy with the character (because as you mention above most people are familiar with making emotionally directed choices) or dramatic tension between whats best/most expedient and what the character feels he "must do". It still doesnt make it clever though.