Karen is a Sadist, pure and simpe(and hawt somehow). Her fanbase is low because of her origin. She's only in Fate/Hot Action...I mean Hollow Ataraxia. And in that story she's rather sadistic at times. She makes Rin's moments seem like tripping over a twig. I still remembering almost dieing from laughter with a doujinshi I found(in japanese, sorry) that showed Lancer+Gilg looking in on her.
I think it was called Lovely Lovely...Or maybe Lovely Karen? Or...Maybe it just repeats her name twice. Well it's one of those three.
Cu:"She's...pretty peaceful while she's asleep."
Gil:"Hmm...What is she dreaming about?"
Karen(In her sleep):"Mmmm tee hee. Castration...hehehe...mmm...devastate that filthy pre-ejactulating masturbationist with metal...tee hee"
I shat Gates of Lulz while screaming how appropriate that seemed for her.
Bazzette...Well...She's a guy...in a woman's body...And she's pretty...I dunno macho at times. I almost expect her to start singing popeye's theme song sometimes.
And no, The rider thing isn't really a "gawd I hate that it's this way", I just pointed it out.
Fortunately, I'm abit psychotic, so I tend to drift off from the topic if I'm allowed. >_>
And that ONE PM I got during the brain test was only the spark that lit the fuse, the gunpowder had been stacking for awhile.
I'm one of the people who play Warcraft 3(though at this point, purely for the later mentioned game) and play Fate/Another(The Fate/Stay Night Hero Arena WC3 map. Now with Avenger and Fate/Zero Berserker! That's right, it's now with 20% more win!). And it seems the only FANBOYS that play that are Rin Fanboys. With the exception of the Rider Fangirl, the Garcher Fangirl, and the the other people who still cannot decide between Rin and Illya.
Oh. And I want to clear this up while my memory retains what I wanted to clear up:
You're using a twisted and newer/incorrect meaning to "Tsundere".
A Tsundere character originally was a character who goes through a GRADUAL CHANGE throughout a series. Rin is not such. She does not change, she shows her feelings, but that's not a change at all since she does that from the start. Her character does not change in the series, thus she's not a Tsundere by the original meaning...
But in this day and age...I suppose I am somewhat used to new and incorrect meanings being used over older and more proper ones...
btw Masterori: Your statement is contradictory, is it not? You cannot understand how I can hate a mass of people I do not know, on the basis that everyone is different? Well, maybe that is less contradictory and more hypocritcsy.
I can hate them because I am different from you. I can hate people I do not know, I have that ability. I can hate anyone, for any reason, so long as I choose to. It is by the same reasoning that says you cannot understand my hatred of people that should tell you my hatred of people is completely understandable.
Masterori is different from HeartCard, it is as simple as that.
Let's move on before I put on a navy blue coat and a gold cross necklace and have to extensively cut my hair.
At this point, I think it should be clear that, I do not like Rin. I do not hate her at this point, but I generally do not like her. No matter the reasoning beyond it, I suppose it really boils down that I do not like her. It is almost a neutral feeling, but it leans more closely to malice than neutrality.
But something about the average(from what I've seen, spanning hundreds of rin fanboys) rin fanboy irks and disgusts me.
But something I would like to see is a Shinji fanboy. Truely he is a character someone like me felt truely sad when he died, purely because his death was far too instant to be anything but unfair to Sakura...and the reader too...
But I do not find him vulgar or disgusting, more rather that he is pitiful, pathetic, and almost a lower level of life.
But it still interests me to find a Shinji fanboy. I enjoy hearing others arguements in pointless opinion based matters. Sometimes I relate to the opinions, sometimes it brings new information, sometimes it changes my opinion, and sometimes it is just simple entertainment with benefits.
I thank you all personally for helping me blow my steam. I will be back to check on the progress of the topic, as I would still love to hear more of the pro-rin side of the arguement. But...
Let's make it interesting and keep away from her "Moe" or "Tsundere" appeal.
Aside from the fact that it seems to be the thing about her that irks me due to it being the thing the "average" rin fanboy brings up an extensive amount,
I would like to hear of what people(the fanboys namely) think of her Other qualities.