Heaven's Feel Discussion [Spoilers!]

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Unread post by Tsubasa » November 17th, 2008, 3:21 pm

If I'm not mistaken Ilya is the child of Kitsu and Justi but at the same time it's stated she's literally just one big magic circuit.
It's stated throughout HF that she was made solely for the purpose of opening the grail, and that she is a fusion type of homunculus. But just look at what happens in FMA when you try to create a homunculus fusion, you either go splat or lose your sanity.

I naturally assume when Ilya's body was tampered with to make her into a grail her soul damaged. I can say so especially because the Eins only care about getting the grail and that's all.
It seems as though only those that contradict existence are allowed to call themselves heroes.
血潮は鉄で 心は硝子。

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Unread post by Kansho » November 17th, 2008, 3:36 pm

Ilya's fetus was modified in some way to turn her into a "a human made from a Magic Circuit". So probably, her natural lifespan was totally distorted.
見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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Unread post by Keeper of Gil's Vault » November 17th, 2008, 5:21 pm

A good homunculus is suppose to be immortal, since homunculi are like man-made natural spirits. Once they are created, Gaia takes over and dictates their existence. So if you don't blow their heads off, they will not age or decay. Ilya is probably a flawed homunculus. My guess is that the sixth war is only 10 years from the fifth, which is much shorter than the 60 years between the fourth and fifth. The von Einzberns probably did not have enough time to make a good one...
Considering there are quite a few failures (the maids), making a good humunculus is no easy task. They probably just patched up Ilya and went "Meh, it is kind of a short notice, but this one will at least get through the two-week war".

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Unread post by samasamon » November 17th, 2008, 5:50 pm

When Ilya move Shirou's soul, where (what, who) does she move Shirou to?

In epilogue, it say they buy puppet. Does it mean someone (Rin, Sakura and (or) Shirou) can use the third sorcery too?

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Unread post by Kansho » November 17th, 2008, 6:11 pm

Shirou's soul was saved and managed by the Third (or the incomplete ver. that Ilya + Dress + Archer soul energy can preform), then "stored" into "something", and then they bounded it to the new body. They didn't need the Third for the last step.
見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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Unread post by matthewfarenheit » November 17th, 2008, 6:48 pm

There's something I still don't get of the True end in Heaven's Feel:
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Unread post by zweiterversuch » November 17th, 2008, 7:35 pm

matthewfarenheit wrote:There's something I still don't get of the True end in Heaven's Feel:
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hmmm.... If I remember correctly it has something to do with these four words:

Pendant, Rin, die, pull...


So:

I am going to use the pendant to pull Rin to this side and kill her... REVENGE for having made a fool of me so many times!!


or something like that...
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Unread post by Kenzu » November 17th, 2008, 8:30 pm

Well, I see it that way...
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Unread post by Kansho » November 17th, 2008, 8:47 pm

Shirou probably appeared at Ryuudo lake.
見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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Unread post by JLA » November 17th, 2008, 10:34 pm

zweiterversuch wrote: I declare Heaven's feel as the one and only happy ending Type-moon (or maybe Nasu) as ever written!!!!!!
I dunno...
I mean how can it be so happy since,
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Unread post by JLA » November 17th, 2008, 10:44 pm

Kenzu wrote:Well, I see it that way...
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I was thinking maybe, just maybe...
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-J

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Unread post by Undream » November 17th, 2008, 11:22 pm

JLA wrote:
Kenzu wrote:Well, I see it that way...
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I was thinking maybe, just maybe...
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-J
Thats exactly what i though
"...One must wait continuously, one must pursue endlessly.
They must realize that it was impossible to succeed yet
at the same time be capable of enduring patiently.
Is that... the story of a dream that shouldn't be waited upon?..."
Last Episode

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Unread post by zweiterversuch » November 17th, 2008, 11:24 pm

JLA wrote:
Kenzu wrote:Well, I see it that way...
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I was thinking maybe, just maybe...
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-J

THAT IS A GOOD ONE THEORY YOU HAVE THERE!!


really it makes sense.
Rin even said "Rider picked him up" She could have mean the pendant of course!!!!

JLA! You have a bright future here!....

NOTE: That is a lie. That you are in this forum means you have no futute.


Be carefull Pukka-sama and Message-sama might be nearer than you think.

ku ku ku...
ku ku ku... Did you notice I was stabbed?... ku ku ku...
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Unread post by Kansho » November 18th, 2008, 12:41 am

JLA wrote:
zweiterversuch wrote: I declare Heaven's feel as the one and only happy ending Type-moon (or maybe Nasu) as ever written!!!!!!
I dunno...
I mean how can it be so happy since,
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見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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Unread post by Kenzu » November 18th, 2008, 1:36 pm

JLA wrote:
Kenzu wrote:Well, I see it that way...
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I was thinking maybe, just maybe...
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-J
Actually...
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Unread post by Rikh » November 19th, 2008, 2:36 am

Kenzu wrote:
JLA wrote:
Kenzu wrote:Well, I see it that way...
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I was thinking maybe, just maybe...
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-J
Actually...
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i never got why he was underwater in the first place.... Where was the lake???
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Unread post by Serpentarius » November 19th, 2008, 2:54 am

The cave was under the temple hill, and the main cavern was under the lake. You can see this from the tentacles that reach out to attack Lancer during his fight with True Assassin. When the cavern collapsed, must've flooded.

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Unread post by Darkfater » November 19th, 2008, 5:31 pm

well... i just finished the whole game. I gotta say it didn't disappoint. But Tsukihime, was, is and will be my favourite despite the awesomeness of F/SN.

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Unread post by AlextheLazy » November 19th, 2008, 8:14 pm

Kansho wrote:
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you should play Fate/hollow ataraxia hehehe

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Unread post by Kansho » November 19th, 2008, 8:53 pm

AlextheLazy wrote:
Kansho wrote:
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you should play Fate/hollow ataraxia hehehe
I already played ataraxia...
見せかけの自分はそっと捨ててただありのままで
misekake no jibun ha sotto sutete tada ari no mama de -
Throw away the "fake me" quietly and just be myself.

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