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Unread postby Raitei » September 29th, 2008, 2:48 pm

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I've seen this on Koi-chan a while ago, but something always bothers me. Each family's mantras are similar between the two generations (see picture of Emiyas', Tosakas', and Matos').
I thought maybe it is a lineage thing, but if you think about it, Shirou is not an Emiya by blood, neither is Sakura to the Matos. Then maybe it is related to one's ideal? Not really.
Compare Shirou, Ilya, and Kiritsugu, they all have some form of "the sword of justice".
However, Kiritsugu gave up his ideal already at the time he received the mantra, Shirou was determined to uphold the ideal when he received his, and Ilya...
I read somewhere all she thought about then was to win the grail and kill what was left of the Emiya house. So both of my theories seem to fail, any better ideas?


Maybe it's more related to the servant's class. Both Tohsakas and Emiyas summoned the same servant class in the 4th and 5th war.
or maybe the servant himself/herself, along with the master ? if you compare caster's seal(assassin one) to a movement of a sword (tsubame gaeshi), it fits somehow...
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Unread postby Kansho » September 29th, 2008, 5:37 pm

Command spell shape = magical characteristic of the magus, not related to Servants. That's official stuff said in Game Japan 2007-01.

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Unread postby AlinSabel » September 29th, 2008, 10:04 pm

Sharm wrote:How come there's a command spell for Luvia??? There was never any case where she had a Servant or is it just for Unlimited Codes?


It was planned.
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Unread postby Raitei » September 29th, 2008, 11:06 pm

Kansho wrote:Command spell shape = magical characteristic of the magus, not related to Servants. That's official stuff said in Game Japan 2007-01.

End of the story.
sheesh, no need to get so worked up... :x
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Sharm wrote:How come there's a command spell for Luvia??? There was never any case where she had a Servant or is it just for Unlimited Codes?


It was planned.
what plan...?
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Unread postby AlinSabel » September 30th, 2008, 12:18 am

Raitei wrote:what plan...?


She was originally going to be a Master.
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Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » September 30th, 2008, 3:22 am

Kansho wrote:Command spell shape = magical characteristic of the magus, not related to Servants. That's official stuff said in Game Japan 2007-01.

End of the story.

Could you elaborate on that? I heard something like that too, such as Sakura's symbolizes "harmony", Rin's symbolizes "balance", and Kotomine's suppose to resemble a snake. It makes sense that the Tosaka lineage shares the same characteristics, as they have the same blood and magus seal. Well, I kind of reason that Shirou's "sword of justice" mantra comes from his sword alignment, but what about Kirisugu? As far as I know his forte involves time control. And Ilya? Why is hers "sword of justice" too? This "characteristic" is a ambiguous word.
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Unread postby Rikh » September 30th, 2008, 9:45 pm

Keeper of Gil's Vault wrote:
Kansho wrote:Command spell shape = magical characteristic of the magus, not related to Servants. That's official stuff said in Game Japan 2007-01.

End of the story.

Could you elaborate on that? I heard something like that too, such as Sakura's symbolizes "harmony", Rin's symbolizes "balance", and Kotomine's suppose to resemble a snake. It makes sense that the Tosaka lineage shares the same characteristics, as they have the same blood and magus seal. Well, I kind of reason that Shirou's "sword of justice" mantra comes from his sword alignment, but what about Kirisugu? As far as I know his forte involves time control. And Ilya? Why is hers "sword of justice" too? This "characteristic" is a ambiguous word.


are you calling it sword of justice based off facts you know, or based off your own personal opinion?
Cause now im thinking and getting confused somewhat :roll:
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Unread postby Keeper of Gil's Vault » October 1st, 2008, 4:56 am

No no, I did not make it up. I saw it while lurking around. Forgot where I saw it, but I think it was Beast's Lair. Someone pretty credible posted it, I think it was Baiken. Notice the many "I think's", I really couldn't remember.
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Unread postby Kansho » October 1st, 2008, 8:39 am

"Sword of justice" thing is total speculation, we only know that the seal resemble... a sword.

"Harmony/Balance" it's official stuff.
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Unread postby Brizzle » October 3rd, 2008, 1:48 am

The seals do seem to be similar with those of family members. It's probably a matter of how the Masters see themselves. How you believe you are seems to have a large influence on things in Fate (I am of the opinion that the alignments given to the Servants are how they view themselves rather than some kind of arbitrary system).

Rin's is very similar to her father's, Sakura's perhaps shares the same base as her father and sister, but altered irrevocably. Ilya's and Shiro's are similar probably because they are both Kiritsugu's children (although only Ilya is by blood) and were both strongly influenced by him.

Mostly, we can only speculate. But, that's half the fun, isn't it?
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Unread postby gexer64 » October 4th, 2008, 10:53 pm

When I first saw Uryu's my first thought was "Holy crap that's METEOR!" (FF7)

Kinda fitting.

Also where is the punching dude's command spell?
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Unread postby Catastrophe » October 5th, 2008, 3:13 am

gexer64 wrote:Also where is the punching dude's command spell?
correct me if im wrong, but....

im pretty sure he doesnt have one since
hes not theoretically a master, he just supplies Caster with mana without forming a contract, (you know the way to do that) :P
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Unread postby Brizzle » October 5th, 2008, 11:03 am

Catastrophe wrote:
gexer64 wrote:Also where is the punching dude's command spell?
correct me if im wrong, but....

im pretty sure he doesnt have one since
hes not theoretically a master, he just supplies Caster with mana without forming a contract, (you know the way to do that) :P

He has one.
In one of the UBW bad endings, he uses it to make Caster use one of Saber's to kill Shiro (at least I think I remember it happening like that; someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
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Unread postby kensain » October 11th, 2008, 6:34 am

Brizzle wrote:
Catastrophe wrote:
gexer64 wrote:Also where is the punching dude's command spell?
correct me if im wrong, but....

im pretty sure he doesnt have one since
hes not theoretically a master, he just supplies Caster with mana without forming a contract, (you know the way to do that) :P

He has one.
In one of the UBW bad endings, he uses it to make Caster use one of Saber's to kill Shiro (at least I think I remember it happening like that; someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

Yeah, I think there's a fairly large contradiction there.
He's not a magus, nor chosen by the grail, and therefore doesn't.
He uses one, and therefore does.

And caster can't toss around command seals like the Kotomine's can, meaning it's a paradox.
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Unread postby Anium » October 11th, 2008, 11:16 am

She can, she steals shiro's in one bad end at UBW(i think)
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Unread postby Rikh » October 11th, 2008, 12:57 pm

kensain wrote:
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Catastrophe wrote:[quote="gexer64"]Also where is the punching dude's command spell?
correct me if im wrong, but....

im pretty sure he doesnt have one since
hes not theoretically a master, he just supplies Caster with mana without forming a contract, (you know the way to do that) :P

He has one.
In one of the UBW bad endings, he uses it to make Caster use one of Saber's to kill Shiro (at least I think I remember it happening like that; someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

Yeah, I think there's a fairly large contradiction there.
He's not a magus, nor chosen by the grail, and therefore doesn't.
He uses one, and therefore does.

And caster can't toss around command seals like the Kotomine's can, meaning it's a paradox.[/quote]
yah but... he is still transferring mana to caster...............
this this was due to the act he performed. So i am sure he has to be some kind of magus... possibly one with a little more potential than shinji

Its just more likely that he has a few natural magic circuits
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Unread postby Belzera » October 11th, 2008, 3:02 pm

MAybe, Caster just gave him the command spell and is leeching Mana/prana from him
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Unread postby Raitei » October 11th, 2008, 3:25 pm

Belzera wrote:MAybe, Caster just gave him the command spell and is leeching Mana/prana from him
what command spell? she doesn't have any other than the kojirou one; the old command spell (of her old master) was broken by rule breaker (read the story, before the kuzuki xxx one). and kuzuki isn't even a magus.
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Unread postby Rikh » October 11th, 2008, 5:26 pm

Raitei wrote:
Belzera wrote:MAybe, Caster just gave him the command spell and is leeching Mana/prana from him
what command spell? she doesn't have any other than the kojirou one; the old command spell (of her old master) was broken by rule breaker (read the story, before the kuzuki xxx one). and kuzuki isn't even a magus.

I'd like to debate the last part.. If kuzuki used a command spell he had to be a magus
He doesnt really need to know any spells of have knowledge of sorcery/etc... all he needs are natural magic circuits... or even fake ones

at least thats what i think for a person to be a magus
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Unread postby Anium » October 11th, 2008, 5:54 pm

He didn't use a command spell, he just told her... If I recall correcly...
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