Inverted wrote:Archer's exact words were "I had one of my arms taken away when I did it for the first time ." He didn't feel like losing an arm, he at least had it injured for some time unlike in Fate where he was alright even after tracing it.Not to mention he even carried Illya .
As for Time Paradox Archer is deluding himself .If there was 0.0000001% chance of it happening Gaia wouldn't have allowed him to be summoned in the first place. The moment he came back he changed the war from his own.
As for Saber, she's not trying to kill herself is she , or her parents , or destroy the isles before she was born. Saber was allowed to be summoned because it would cause no contradiction.
But to each his own I guess .Multiple theories can run around.
"The moment he came back, he changed the war from his own?" I find that a bit too good a explanation. Look, Archer has that pendant that Shirou got when he was saved by Rin after being killed by Lancer, right? At least that much is true about Archer no matter what. Now, tell me, when was Shirou killed by ancer before he found the pendant? Yep, that's right, he got the pendant after he was killed by lancer because he happened to observe the battle between Lancer and you know who, Archer. Then, does it not logically follow that however the rest of the war may have gone for Archer, it is at least true that Archer was there in that war as Rin's servant? Its like a time loop if you think about it. Archer is summoned because of that pendant he got after he was killed by Lancer and saved by Rin but he was killed because he saw Archer fight Lancer. In other words, Archer will always be there in any war Emiya Shirou is involved in. As he was in the war he fought in his life as well, he couldn't have changed the war the moment he was summoned. That's the point. In his war as well, Rin was there, Archer was there and Lancer was there. He saw their battle on the 3rd night and got killed and was saved by Rin and found that pendant afterward. That much is definitely certain.
Yeah, Archer might be deluding himself about the time paradox thing, hell, the game implies that he most likely is. But Gaia has nothing to do with his summoning to begin with and the reason such a paradox won't be created is clearly stated by the game as the fact that he is off the time axis, he is not Shirou anymore. The moment he died, he became a Guardian, a being not encompassed by time.
Saber is already there, frozen in time, but she isn't off the time axis like Archer is and yet she is being allowed to be summoned. In other words, her body is literally at two places at the same time within the time axis. That should cause more of a contradiction than should Archer's summoning, as Archer is not in the time axis in the first place. And Saber is trying to change her past as well. The game clearly mentions that should she succeed, she will still exist but the hero Arthuria wouldn't and that is most likely what would happen with Archer as well. Even if Shirou doesn't become a hero, Archer will forever be a Guardian, which is a sad and touching fate. Its clearly mentioned in the ending of UBW as well.
And Shirou does mention feeling as though his arm is being taken away in Fate when tracing. Now, we don't know if Archer is being literal or not when he says he has his arm was taken away the first time he traced. Him saying that doesn't rule out the possibility that he could be Fate Shirou but other things do. So, he can't be Fate Shirou. That's what I have been saying all along anyways. He can't be Shirou from either of the routes.
@feuhrer: Not true, Archer was there in the war he fought as Shirou in as well. True, there may have been no further involvements from Rin and Archer but at least this much is true that Rin saved him and just before Rin saved him, Archer locates him. In other words, they do meet, just that, at best, he has no memory of it. And if his war indeed went like Fate, then, there's no way he could have know the identity of Archer which means there would be no problems.