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Unread postby Shikiller » August 12th, 2008, 4:44 am

So... does anyone actually understands Sakura's magic or are just repeating like parrots from Fuyuki wiki?

Zensunni: Saber never met Kirei until the end in Fate route, and not at all during UBW and HF.

It's strange that she didn't hear of him from Rin, though.
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Unread postby Kansho » August 12th, 2008, 8:56 am

Sakura's magic was never fully explained, I think. We know the things in the game and at the end of ataraxia.

And we know that if Anri acts through the shadows, she can eat people. If not, she only can eat spirits, familiars and that kind of stuff.

Well, then she can do aswell things with her tiny familiars.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » August 12th, 2008, 9:09 am

Kansho wrote:Sakura's magic was never fully explained, I think. We know the things in the game and at the end of ataraxia.

And we know that if Anri acts through the shadows, she can eat people. If not, she only can eat spirits, familiars and that kind of stuff.

Well, then she can do aswell things with her tiny familiars.


who is anri?
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Unread postby Kansho » August 12th, 2008, 9:20 am

Angra Mainyu. In japanese "アンリマユ - anrimayu".
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Unread postby Zensunni » August 12th, 2008, 10:01 am

Shikiller wrote:Zensunni: Saber never met Kirei until the end in Fate route, and not at all during UBW and HF.


Ah yes, she chose to stay out of the church for no reason at the beginning. But she must have been aware that Rin+Shirou were going to meet Kirei, they mentioned his name etc. many times.

And what about Ilyasviel? Saber at a point in Fate route is clueless about her and the Einzberns and asks Rin, even though she should know first hand.
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Unread postby Kansho » August 12th, 2008, 10:08 am

In ataraxia, Saber implied that she know Ilya beforehand.
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Unread postby Zensunni » August 12th, 2008, 10:09 am

Grr, it's such a shallowly protected plothole that it's pissing me off.
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Unread postby Kansho » August 12th, 2008, 10:48 am

Well, Fate/Zero was written at the same time as Fate/hollow ataraxia, so it's kinda logical.

And about Kirei thing, really... I think that Saber not even knows Kirei's name. Probably for her, Kirei was only "Kiritsugu's foe" and during the Heaven's Feel 5 she think of him as a dead person (there is a DEAD END in Fate when she shocked out for seeing him alive) so she doesn't give a damn about that.

... And Saber didn't directly faced Kirei during the Heaven's Feel 4 ... well, Saber even didn't met much Kiritsugu during that war, as they worked independently of each other.
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Unread postby Zensunni » August 12th, 2008, 10:54 am

Hmm. I guess that's right. Saber mostly just fought during the last war without a care for the master's affairs.

Still it'd make for an interesting route if Saber ran into Kirei on day 3 of F/SN...
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Unread postby Raitei » August 12th, 2008, 12:05 pm

Zensunni wrote:Hmm. I guess that's right. Saber mostly just fought during the last war without a care for the master's affairs.

Still it'd make for an interesting route if Saber ran into Kirei on day 3 of F/SN...
I don't think she'll recognize him, really.
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Unread postby nanaya_shinya » August 12th, 2008, 12:12 pm

Woah...that's what Kirei looked like when he participated in the fourth war? He kinda looks like Shirou with brown hair...
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Unread postby Kansho » August 12th, 2008, 1:29 pm

nanaya_shinya wrote:Woah...that's what Kirei looked like when he participated in the fourth war? He kinda looks like Shirou with brown hair...
That's exactly what they are trying to show... the resemblance between Shirou and Kirei.
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Unread postby Rikh » August 13th, 2008, 12:04 am

Kansho wrote:Sakura's magic was never fully explained, I think. We know the things in the game and at the end of ataraxia.

And we know that if Anri acts through the shadows, she can eat people. If not, she only can eat spirits, familiars and that kind of stuff.

Well, then she can do aswell things with her tiny familiars.


She can also use some nice high lvl nasu spells with Shirou involved
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Unread postby Inverted » August 13th, 2008, 7:25 am

Kansho wrote:
nanaya_shinya wrote:Woah...that's what Kirei looked like when he participated in the fourth war? He kinda looks like Shirou with brown hair...
That's exactly what they are trying to show... the resemblance between Shirou and Kirei.


Luckily for Shirou Kiritsugu found him first and raised him instead of Kotomine.
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Unread postby inferno_flamex » August 13th, 2008, 10:40 am

Inverted wrote:
Kansho wrote:
nanaya_shinya wrote:Woah...that's what Kirei looked like when he participated in the fourth war? He kinda looks like Shirou with brown hair...
That's exactly what they are trying to show... the resemblance between Shirou and Kirei.


Luckily for Shirou Kiritsugu found him first and raised him instead of Kotomine.


Technically... If kiritsugu found Shirou...

Would you still call being stuck in the basement with your fellow 'adopted brothers/sisters' within death door... "being raised by Kotomine"?
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Unread postby Kansho » August 13th, 2008, 11:19 am

Who knows, if Kirei founds that this boy is pretty the same as him maybe he would have ended raising him as a son.

Kotomine and Shirou didn't really hate each other at all, thet like each other because they're the same... void people. That's the final point in the game about them.
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Unread postby supremehyren » August 14th, 2008, 4:21 pm

Who was it who said Shirou and Kotomine actually liked each other? I'm certain I heard it before on this forum somewhere....

Also, Aozaki Aoko's attribute is wind.
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Unread postby zweiterversuch » August 14th, 2008, 4:46 pm

supremehyren wrote:Who was it who said Shirou and Kotomine actually liked each other? I'm certain I heard it before on this forum somewhere....

Also, Aozaki Aoko's attribute is wind.


Zelrecht's attribute is light...
It must be light.
It wouldn't make sense if it isn't.
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Unread postby Kansho » August 14th, 2008, 7:39 pm

supremehyren wrote:Who was it who said Shirou and Kotomine actually liked each other? I'm certain I heard it before on this forum somewhere...
I said it, because it's said at the end of the game.

They are alike, void people who dedicated themselves to one way of living. The only difference between them is the "why" of their fights.
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Unread postby Inverted » August 14th, 2008, 9:53 pm

Kansho wrote:
supremehyren wrote:Who was it who said Shirou and Kotomine actually liked each other? I'm certain I heard it before on this forum somewhere...
I said it, because it's said at the end of the game.

They are alike, void people who dedicated themselves to one way of living. The only difference between them is the "why" of their fights.


That "why" is the difference between heaven and earth .That's why Shirou was lucky . Last thing we need is another Kotomine running around. Though arguably if Kotomine raised Shirou ,Kiritsugu will still be alive thanks to Avalon. The 5th war would have been far different.
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