Can a master hurt other servants?

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Can a master hurt other servants?

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Re: Can a master hurt other servants?

Unread post by Raitei » March 28th, 2008, 1:13 pm

radical_number6 wrote:
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a bit of crude explanation, but that's the general idea.
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Re: Can a master hurt other servants?

Unread post by radical_number6 » March 28th, 2008, 1:23 pm

Raitei wrote:
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a bit of crude explanation, but that's the general idea.
o'rly?? so no normal lead bullets? then how would a femal master charge up a male servant through......that thingy(spoiler).
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Re: Can a master hurt other servants?

Unread post by Raitei » March 28th, 2008, 1:25 pm

radical_number6 wrote:o'rly?? so no normal lead bullets? then how would a femal master charge up a male servant through......that thingy(spoiler).
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bah. have you read through ubw, after all?
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but of course there's the normal method of master's sustaining her servant...
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Unread post by TheOverlord » March 28th, 2008, 1:36 pm

Also remeber during the fate route
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So basically yes its possible to defeat or kill a servant as long as the weapon used has either been enchanted or a powerful enough magic attack is used.

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Unread post by Brizzle » March 28th, 2008, 4:34 pm

Servants can't be hurt by normal, modern, everyday methods. In Fate/Zero
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What Rin and Shiro did
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Unread post by radical_number6 » March 28th, 2008, 5:15 pm

Brizzle wrote:Servants can't be hurt by normal, modern, everyday methods. In Fate/Zero
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What Rin and Shiro did
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how you get so far in fate/zero?? can you read japanese?
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Unread post by Brizzle » March 28th, 2008, 5:36 pm

radical_number6 wrote:how you get so far in fate/zero?? can you read japanese?
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Unread post by randomanon? » March 28th, 2008, 5:45 pm

They must nerf lancelot, he's too overpowered -.-''

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Unread post by radical_number6 » March 28th, 2008, 5:50 pm

Brizzle wrote:
radical_number6 wrote:how you get so far in fate/zero?? can you read japanese?
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thats is impossiblehh!!! best knight he might be, but still, he's just
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Unread post by Brizzle » March 28th, 2008, 6:15 pm

radical_number6 wrote:
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radical_number6 wrote:how you get so far in fate/zero?? can you read japanese?
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thats is impossiblehh!!! best knight he might be, but still, he's just
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Unread post by Raitei » March 28th, 2008, 9:17 pm

Brizzle wrote:
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"Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes... chaos.
I'm an agent of chaos."
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Unread post by DragoonKnight » March 29th, 2008, 12:27 am

So if a a servant is attacked with a normal sword or gun it'll have no effect? What about a bomb?

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Unread post by Brizzle » March 29th, 2008, 12:34 am

DragoonKnight wrote:So if a a servant is attacked with a normal sword or gun it'll have no effect? What about a bomb?
We're getting into nebulous territory here, but I'd say no. They simply are a greater mystery and can't be hurt by mundane means.

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Unread post by DragoonKnight » March 29th, 2008, 2:45 am

Crazy stuff there. So one has to imbue an object with magic to enable it to hurt servants?

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Unread post by Kiraiya » March 29th, 2008, 2:55 am

What if a master somehow turned themselves into a magic bomb and blew themselves up attempting to take out a servant? Would this be successful(assuming prana levels equal to rins) or what? Lol random question just kinda popped into my head.
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Unread post by Brizzle » March 29th, 2008, 3:01 am

DragoonKnight wrote:Crazy stuff there. So one has to imbue an object with magic to enable it to hurt servants?
Pretty much. A weapon, or even someone's body that has been reinforced with magecraft is enough. Servants are spirits in essence.
Kiraiya wrote:What if a master somehow turned themselves into a magic bomb and blew themselves up attempting to take out a servant? Would this be successful(assuming prana levels equal to rins) or what? Lol random question just kinda popped into my head.
That would work.

The level of power doesn't matter in most cases. When dealing with wounding a Servant, as long as the means is magical or supernatural in nature, anything that would kill a human would kill a Servant. However, many servants have further means making them extra hard to kill. Saber and Caster, for example, have very high regeneration powers; pretty much you have to take out their brain or heart to kill them, or they will recover eventually. Also, there's things like Berserker's Godhand. But most Servants are far too skilled in combat to be hurt most of the time. They're superhuman after all.

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Unread post by Yazan Kiriel » March 29th, 2008, 10:09 am

Brizzle wrote:That would work.

The level of power doesn't matter in most cases. When dealing with wounding a Servant, as long as the means is magical or supernatural in nature, anything that would kill a human would kill a Servant. However, many servants have further means making them extra hard to kill. Saber and Caster, for example, have very high regeneration powers; pretty much you have to take out their brain or heart to kill them, or they will recover eventually. Also, there's things like Berserker's Godhand. But most Servants are far too skilled in combat to be hurt most of the time. They're superhuman after all.
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Indeed, not to mention Saber has a a high Magic Resistance that "in practice, no Magi today are able to hurt Saber." Of course, what about the 5 Sorcerers like Zeltrech and Aoko I always wondered.

Yet, as said before according to Nasu only other Servants and Masters can harm a Servant. So I am sure Shiki would be unable to one hit KO em with his Death Eyes except perhaps Gilgamesh who was given flesh when bathed by the Grail. Yet it's said a Servant's power is 1/4 of Arcueid's. And I am sure some of the Dead Apostles can harm a Servant though, I mean...it'd take everyone in Type-Moon universe to probably match ORT.

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Unread post by Raitei » March 29th, 2008, 11:29 am

Totally Wrong!!
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Unread post by Anon of /jp/ » March 29th, 2008, 12:21 pm

Raitei is wrong.

Normal DAAs and Servants are on the same level of brokeness with slight favor for the servants.
it`s all about matchups.
Lancer for excample would be fucked against Nero Chaos.

And there are still characters more broken.
Dark Sakura is close to Counter Guardian Level < it takes 7 Counter Guardians to hold back Primate Murder.
Ort is much stronger

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