Voidlugiron wrote: twilightlegacy wrote:
i remember that the Rho Aias was considered a impenetrable defense because:
Since the shield is a conceptual weapon, it is the shield that could apparently be used to block the Gungir. To clarify, a conceptual weapon is a weapon that always executes a certain effect. Therefore, even if Archer produces a version that is inferior to the original phantasm via tracing, it will still perform it's designated function. In this case, the Rho Aias he traces is inferior to the original but it still emulates the strength of a fortress (similar to Avalon i guess). Since the Gae Bolg pierced the Rho Aias, Archer is implying that the Gae Bolg is stronger than Gungnir because it accomplished what the Gungnir couldn't.
Of course, my sources could be wrong.
It states in the first fight between Saber and Lancer that Gae Bolg has some reverse circumstances effect where it will alter any parameters in order for the spear to hit. Doesn't that mean even if the projection was perfect Rho Aias wouldn't have a chance to begin with?
What you said about the Gae Bolg is true. However, if i'm remembering correctly, the Rho Aias is an absolute defense that is suppose to block ANY attack. The difference between the Rho Aias and Avalon is that Avalon is the embodiment of the Utopia of kings, equivalent to the true magics; therefore it forms a defense making the user untouchable. Anyways, the situation is: Gae bolg will always strikes its target while the Rho Aias will always completely blocks against any attack.
So um...how should i say this. they kind of cancel out?
It's definitely an odd situation.
Also I mentioned before that the traced Rho Aias is not perfect in comparison to the original. However, that is irrelevant in this situation. Since it is a conceptual weapon, it always carries out the effect of the original. Just as a theoretical example to illustrate lets say the copy Rho Aias is made out of wood rather than metal or whatever the real one is composed of. However, the effect of the true Rho Aias is that it always blocks attacks. Therefore, although the wooden one is weak it still is a Rho aias (albeit inferior); therefore it will still perform the designated function of the original - in this case, it is to block attacks.
That would explain why Archer can actually trace and effectively use the Rho Aias although his affinity is swords. He doesn't need to create a nearly identical copy of the Rho Aias; instead he just needs an inferior version that still produces the desired effect.
However, as i stated before, my sources could be inaccurate.