Riverl wrote:Which Shiki shouldnt be important, since both of their eyes are called MEODP
But consider the rest of the article that I didnt quote, may be that's T.Shiki
Rikh wrote:Apparently if you name your son Shiki, you have around a 1/10 chance that they can see lines of death, and 'kill' things
nanaya_shinya wrote:Rikh wrote:Apparently if you name your son Shiki, you have around a 1/10 chance that they can see lines of death, and 'kill' things
There are three (or four if you count ryougi's male persona) Shiki's with Mystic Eyes of Death Perception...
"The Real" Tohno Shiki
"The Adopted" Tohno Shiki/Nanaya Shiki
and Ryogi Shiki
Anyway, point is, R.Shiki or Tohno Shiki, none of them is god-like
I find it amusing, when Rakkyo hasnt been made into movies, no body know her.
Now the movies, and out of nowhere appear so many people calling her godlike, godhax, blah blah.
But, not as powerful as everyone make her seem to be
first, it's the "void" R.Shiki that "can kill even God if she want" (figurative speaking, she can only fight defensively again a Servant after all, dont take it too serious)
Her eyes never demonstrated the ability to see dots, may be she cant, or she just never bother to stab dots, or like Far side Shiki, somehow she didnt bother with finding them.
Alas, stop your senseless rambling about Shiki using 2 type of eyes
at least use the right term to call his original eyes.
They are one now, human can only has a pair of eyes, or, AFAIK, Shiki only has 1 pair of eyes, not 2 or 3
It's the CNM, originally Jougan, it's not the CNM and the Jougan
The point isnt if Shiki can see the origami or not, the point is: "He can kill it"
that's psychic/spiritual power, intangible object
To show that, Shiki CAN kill intangible stuff, unlike what most think.
...hey, I read it way before the movie came out, you know....
Anyways, godhax really isn't an exaggeration. For a normal person like Tohno to kill Arcuied, even by surprise, isn't something that should be possible. Ryougi is actually less guilty of insane things than Tohno ('killing the world', etc...), but it's still a ridiculous power. For instance, compare to Asagami's 'bending'. It can 'bend' things: it's a power that can be used for destruction, and is outside of normal human abilities. However, 'bending' and 'direct death' can't be considered remotely equal, because no matter how much you 'bend' something like a True Ancestor, it won't die. It's godhax because it allows things that humans shouldn't be able to do.
I feel like I haven't conveyed my pointed as well as I'd like, but find me a single more impressive power than MEoDP, and then we can talk. People say that it's not as good as it seems, but I've yet to see anything better, except maybe for Magic.
Still, there isn't a 'void' Tohno Shiki, is there? And anyways, Ryougi generally exhibits higher physical ability than Tohno, and I'd place her normal abilities at the same as his Nanaya mode.
Either she can see dots, or her eyes don't work in the 'lines and dots' method. She's killed appendicitis, and that wouldn't work with a line.
Well, although I wasn't quite clear on how Jougan operated, what I meant was something more like 'two properties of eyes' instead of two physically different eyes. Kind of like how you can have both a 'see invisible' and 'see far' enhancement in video games. In other words, I thought that 'see invisible' and 'death perception' circuits had seperately opened in his eyes, instead of 'see invisible' being part of 'death perception'. Basically, you're saying that something evolved into death perception, but 'see invisible' is always there, right?
What I mean is that, if Ryougi can kill concepts like 'intent', then Tohno can only kill intangiable things that 'exist', like spiritual power. 'Intent' doesn't exist in a physical or intangiable form; there isn't a place you can point to and say 'intent is here'.
On the other hand, intangiable things like 'power' definitely hold some kind of location, the place the 'power' is acting upon. Since Ryougi can kill concepts, and Tohno can only kill 'intangiable things that exist', Ryougi has superior ability with her MEoDP.
I have a question for you guys about the MEDP.
When Shiki saved kohaku from her dead in Hisui's good ending he had to use bandages or something to cover his eyes,right? but he still could see the lines and dots of death soooo the question is.
If Shiki's eyes were to dissapear (I don't know, they exploded or something) would he still be able to see death?
I mean he sees dead with his brain, doesn't he?
kaerstan01 wrote:i think the glasses is made of simply an "indestructible" kind of material therefore doesn't display even a single line or point of death preventing shiki to strain his own brain and also, basing the fact that it is an "eyeglasses", it really helped his vision to see things clearly without causing any strenuous side effects that would be present if his glasses were to be taken off
abscess wrote:kaerstan01 wrote:i think the glasses is made of simply an "indestructible" kind of material therefore doesn't display even a single line or point of death preventing shiki to strain his own brain and also, basing the fact that it is an "eyeglasses", it really helped his vision to see things clearly without causing any strenuous side effects that would be present if his glasses were to be taken offhmm... I think that it's stated somewhere that Aoko stole the glasses from Tohko and the only thing she did was add some spell or potion or some... thing! that made the glasses undestructible, but the "hiding the lines thingy" was made by Tohko.
nanaya_shinya wrote:yes kaerstan, that DID happen in some occasions in Tsukihime... which explains why Shiki will get a blindfold in Tsukihime 2 (IF Type-Moon is really going to create it).
Einherjar wrote:Having Shiki bloody badass (aka Nanaya nightmare like) kinda defeats the theme in tsukihime.
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