Shiki's Eyes of Death Perception

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Unread postby serialies » February 28th, 2009, 9:24 am

it doesnt matter how many lives you have, you are cut, so you are dead


Arc doesn't agree with that :P
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Unread postby -Shiki- » February 28th, 2009, 1:16 pm

serialies wrote:
it doesnt matter how many lives you have, you are cut, so you are dead


Arc doesn't agree with that :P


:lol: but arc gets her power from the world itself..you cant kill her unless you kill the world first..berserker is a different thing..you stop him thus rendering him permanently dead..a spoiled clock wont work eventhough you have tons of spare batteries..shiki's eyes somehow did that if he cuts him..berserker is not immortal you know :)
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Unread postby Shourai » February 28th, 2009, 1:58 pm

-Shiki- wrote:
serialies wrote:
it doesnt matter how many lives you have, you are cut, so you are dead


Arc doesn't agree with that :P


:lol: but arc gets her power from the world itself..you cant kill her unless you kill the world first..berserker is a different thing..you stop him thus rendering him permanently dead..a spoiled clock wont work eventhough you have tons of spare batteries..shiki's eyes somehow did that if he cuts him..berserker is not immortal you know :)
That's the point, dude. Shiki shouldn't be able to see any lines on Servant at all. Arc is a being of Gaia. Servants are not. Shiki's eyes work according to Gaian restriction. That's why he can't see non-Gaian death, like ORT's, and of course, Servant's.
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Unread postby -Shiki- » February 28th, 2009, 2:43 pm

his eyes are restricted to Gaia rules?hmm...
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Unread postby Shourai » February 28th, 2009, 3:03 pm

To be more precise, this:

Fuyuki wrote:Eyes of Instant Death

直死の魔眼 - Chokushi no Magan
What Shiki obtained; eyes that see the death of things. Represented by black lines and dots. Lines are those lines where it is easy for that substance to break while dots are death themselves. Slice a line and that part will die even if the main body survives and won't move. Strike a dot and that solid object will cease to function completely. Lines will be seen even if one doesn't think about them, but to see the dots, the source of the lines, this requires extreme mental concentration. While it's said to be able to see death as a defined form, it's not death itself but the lifespan of the substance. To be more precise, it's the existential boundary that had been predetermined at the moment of that object's origin (on the other hand, other than Roa's soul, so far he's generally killed objects that have actual physical substance, real bodies and what not - not that he can't, but it'll take some time and adjustment and a migraine). Poke out a dot and you end it's reason/conditions for existing in this world. For example, the soul itself is said to be the one indestructible substance in the world but is only allowed a limited time of existence based on the body it was developed in; this is its time limit. The soul is not destroyed; the predetermined time limit is put to into effect. When that time limit is up, the soul returns to Akasha, dispersed, and then recycled. Therefore, killing phenomena is not possible; everything in our plain of existence can be destroyed or has a time limit. Phenomena come from above - Akasha - directly and take form as occurrences. Current incarnation may be destroyed but the phenomena will keep occurring under certain conditions. Further note that Shiki didn't see dots on said phenomena.

As said again and again and again. It's not so much the existence or the record. It's the predetermined life span, as in what binds the object to the relevant plane of existence, in other words, the time limit, is seen.

And as said in the game, lines cannot be seen on those things that can't be killed (broken) in the present era. The base power of a human user of these eyes work in relation to the limits of the humans of that era. And obviously, as an extension of that, the base power an Earthling user, be it person or object, of these eyes is going to work in relation to how the system of Earth works. Be it rock, stone, salamander, or concept, as long as it was born in this world, there's going to be something fundamentally similar with hairy apes.
Servants don't work in relation to the Earth system. That's why Prana is used to keep them in present era; the world is trying to crush them.

Oh, and must I say that Servants no longer have predetermined life span? They are already dead, you know.
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Unread postby -Shiki- » February 28th, 2009, 3:15 pm

Shourai wrote:To be more precise, this:

Fuyuki wrote:Eyes of Instant Death

直死の魔眼 - Chokushi no Magan
What Shiki obtained; eyes that see the death of things. Represented by black lines and dots. Lines are those lines where it is easy for that substance to break while dots are death themselves. Slice a line and that part will die even if the main body survives and won't move. Strike a dot and that solid object will cease to function completely. Lines will be seen even if one doesn't think about them, but to see the dots, the source of the lines, this requires extreme mental concentration. While it's said to be able to see death as a defined form, it's not death itself but the lifespan of the substance. To be more precise, it's the existential boundary that had been predetermined at the moment of that object's origin (on the other hand, other than Roa's soul, so far he's generally killed objects that have actual physical substance, real bodies and what not - not that he can't, but it'll take some time and adjustment and a migraine). Poke out a dot and you end it's reason/conditions for existing in this world. For example, the soul itself is said to be the one indestructible substance in the world but is only allowed a limited time of existence based on the body it was developed in; this is its time limit. The soul is not destroyed; the predetermined time limit is put to into effect. When that time limit is up, the soul returns to Akasha, dispersed, and then recycled. Therefore, killing phenomena is not possible; everything in our plain of existence can be destroyed or has a time limit. Phenomena come from above - Akasha - directly and take form as occurrences. Current incarnation may be destroyed but the phenomena will keep occurring under certain conditions. Further note that Shiki didn't see dots on said phenomena.

As said again and again and again. It's not so much the existence or the record. It's the predetermined life span, as in what binds the object to the relevant plane of existence, in other words, the time limit, is seen.

And as said in the game, lines cannot be seen on those things that can't be killed (broken) in the present era. The base power of a human user of these eyes work in relation to the limits of the humans of that era. And obviously, as an extension of that, the base power an Earthling user, be it person or object, of these eyes is going to work in relation to how the system of Earth works. Be it rock, stone, salamander, or concept, as long as it was born in this world, there's going to be something fundamentally similar with hairy apes.
Servants don't work in relation to the Earth system. That's why Prana is used to keep them in present era; the world is trying to crush them.

Oh, and must I say that Servants no longer have predetermined life span? They are already dead, you know.


that cleared it..thanks a bunch :D
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