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Unread postby Message » November 30th, 2005, 11:58 am

I happen to know a couple of people who'd be interested in playing Tsukihime without the sex scenes. Personally I'd prefer an non-adult option too, so I was wondering who else feels someone should work on creating a patch for this. I don't think it would be difficult to keep all the story elements when only removing the straight pornographics scenes, though some minor details could be lost here and there. The biggest challenge would be to maintain consistency, which would probably require some small replacement text to be written so that the player at least knows that Shiki made love with this or that character.

I'd like to help in the creation of a non-hentai patch, but I'm quite sure I couldn't do a proper job just by myself. I have a lot of experience in editing, but not in writing. :roll:
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Unread postby Dectilon » November 30th, 2005, 12:14 pm

Well, for those who already know, they can just hold down ctrl for a short while :P
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Unread postby Soulanger » November 30th, 2005, 12:56 pm

I'm one of those guys who are offended by. Ahem. X-rated scenes.
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Unread postby tjm » November 30th, 2005, 9:11 pm

Well, it's not really that simple. Certainly Tsukihime has clear sex scenes, and they could be removed or glossed over if you really wanted to... but that doesn't mean that what's left would be 'PG'. It probably wouldn't even be 'R'. Many of the important scenes (such as Shiki stalking Arcueid), while not sex scenes, are just as explicit - and often highly disturbing.

It would be almost impossible to find a balance point between the two that causes no offence, yet loses none of the plot.

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Unread postby Message » November 30th, 2005, 9:44 pm

tjm wrote:It would be almost impossible to find a balance point between the two that causes no offence, yet loses none of the plot

I don't really agree. In the anime, the love scene between Shiki and Arc is done in very good flavour and style. Romance is not the same as porn, after all. I think neither is sexual innuendo. Shiki getting fired up over Arcueid is sexual, but not pornographic. I'm not offended by it and I don't think even the more reserved people will find it very disturbing.

You're right to say that the gray areas would require some consideration, as for example Shiki realizing he masturbated while choking Kohaku may be found quite offending by some people but not at all by others. Then again Akiha sucking Kohaku's blood or Ciel standing around in her underwear, that's simple. You see as much in daily anime, much more even. It doesn't have to become an all-age game, as long as the hentai content is cut.
I really don't think it's that difficult to find a proper balance. And besides, the people who don't want to play a pronographic game will be happy with almost anything, as long as it lets them play Tsukihime properly. While I'd want it to be just perfect too, it's not a big problem if some minor details are lost.
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Unread postby Dectilon » November 30th, 2005, 9:52 pm

You're right about most of that, except one thing :)

I don't think even the more reserved people will find it very disturbing.


You don't know those people, and those people can be scary. Like anti-abortion activists in USA for example :)

Anyways, I hope they make more tsukihime anime. And scarier this time. :)
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Unread postby Message » December 1st, 2005, 11:49 am

Dectilon wrote:You don't know those people, and those people can be scary.

On the contrary, I do know them. They're Tsukihime fans. That makes them with a very high probability either TYPE MOON fans, ren'ai fans or anime fans. In all three cases some sexual content will not be a problem. I know what you mean, but it'll just come down to making an educated guess as to what most people will think a good cut.

But what I'd really like to know if people like Soulanger would like to see a censorship patch created. :?:
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Unread postby marus » December 1st, 2005, 2:11 pm

But what I'd really like to know if people like Soulanger would like to see a censorship patch created.


I can't speak for Soulanger, but I think a censorship patch would be a great idea. I'll probably end up playing the game with all it's hentainess included either way, but I'm often around little kids and such, and it'd be nice to turn off the hentai so I don't have to worry about something innapropiate suddenly popping up while my little sister is around.
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Unread postby Dectilon » December 1st, 2005, 2:27 pm

Hey, that's true. Didn't think about that.
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Unread postby zoop » December 2nd, 2005, 3:52 am

While I personally have nothing against playing the game "as is," I have actually thought a few times that plenty of people would appreciate a... "lime" version of Tsukihime that lacks the sexual scenes.
I think it is safe to say that if such a project should be attempted it would have to be carried out with a fair degree of caution, to prevent any loss of detail to the story, or any seemingly minor things that could cause confusion for people later on. But that said, I would be more than willing to contribute to such a project in any way possible.
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Unread postby Zephyrus » December 3rd, 2005, 4:09 am

I am very much for an edited version of Tsukihime, and am willing to help in any way I can. However, I don't think that this should even be considered until we get the first patch released. Also, for the people against this, what you need to remember is that no one is forcing you to use an edit, so if you want the h content in it, then you?re free to use the unedited version.
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Unread postby Message » December 3rd, 2005, 8:53 am

Zephyrus wrote:I don't think that this should even be considered until we get the first patch released.

You raise an interesting point there. I for one would very much prefer to have the censorship patch completed before Tsukihime is released, as they could then be distributed together. It could increase the popularity of the translation if people knew right away that they wouldn't have to worry about the hentai content. It would be difficult to reach all potential players with this information if an extra patch would be released later on.

Even if the final edit isn't available, it should be possible to determine which parts are to be cut out and which aren't. Likewise the writing of the glueing scenes should be possible, as long as a final consistency check is made when the Tsukihime script is finished. The only real problem I can see is that those working on this patch would require access to the beta material. Chendo, how would you feel about that?
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Unread postby Zephyrus » December 3rd, 2005, 7:56 pm

The main problem I see with doing two different versions at the same time is the nightmare that bug tracking would become. Tsukihime runs on Mac, Linux, and Windows, and we have to beta test this. I think we should concentrate on getting a bug free first release, then after that go and work on the patch, because otherwise it will make everyone?s life harder having to keep track of 6 different versions and not 3.

Also, the writing style is very different between the beta and the re-write, and it would not do to have the style shift in the middle of the game, assuming you used the beta's translation to work on the edit.

If you wanted to, you could start a list of scenes needing to be edited, but as for actual code insertion, i think that should wait.

As for beta access and insertion tools, thats up to chendo. I don't think he'll have a problem with an edit, but thats not my department. (I'm in the beta.)

In any case, thats just my 2 cents, I'm still willing to help if you need me to.
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Unread postby Soulanger » December 4th, 2005, 3:43 am

Dectilon wrote:Anyways, I hope they make more tsukihime anime. And scarier this time. :)

Im looking foward for that too. But I like it better if it will show the other plots too like the Tohno side story. Or even more detail to the story. I didnt understood some of parts until I read the encyclopedia from Moonlit World. I like to see a Melty Blood anime too. MB is has more fighting than Tsukihime. Anywayz Ill just patiently wait for the Fate anime.

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Dectilon wrote:But what I'd really like to know if people like Soulanger would like to see a censorship patch created. :?:

Yap I like to see that. I dont like crawling at night just to play this. If my bros see me they would think im a perv. :(
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Unread postby Message » December 4th, 2005, 8:17 am

Zephyrus wrote:The main problem I see with doing two different versions at the same time is the nightmare that bug tracking would become.

Not if we only decide what changes are to be made, we can implement them once the final script is finished. There shouldn't be much of a beta issue since most we do is comment out lines. ;-)

You are right about the writing styles though, but we could always feed our modifications to Shira-kun and have him rewrite them too. Assuming he'd be in for it, that is.

But anyway, I had a talk about this with Xev yesterday and he said mirror moon had decided long ago that a censored version would be created sooner or later. Xev believes it to be too big an investment of manpower to start working on it now, but I for one am all for trying it. So I'm trying to get a hold of Soulfang and see what he has to say about it.
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Unread postby Arcueid_Brunestud's_Lover » December 4th, 2005, 9:09 pm

tjm wrote:Well, it's not really that simple. Certainly Tsukihime has clear sex scenes, and they could be removed or glossed over if you really wanted to... but that doesn't mean that what's left would be 'PG'. It probably wouldn't even be 'R'. Many of the important scenes (such as Shiki stalking Arcueid), while not sex scenes, are just as explicit - and often highly disturbing.

It would be almost impossible to find a balance point between the two that causes no offence, yet loses none of the plot.

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That is true... In the Anime I found the Akiha sucking blood from Kohaku scene to be disturbing and sicken me. But editing the game would just kill the purpose for it in being created. Part of the sidestories with Hisui is that she is always being rape by Akiha's father. They did a good job in taking it all out on the anime, but it hardly explains there stories and what Akiha and her family really are( And that just pissed me off).

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But what I'd really like to know if people like Soulanger would like to see a censorship patch created.

Yap I like to see that. I dont like crawling at night just to play this. If my bros see me they would think im a perv.


Well then, I wouldn't play it if I were you... My older sister is always bitching to me that all anime is porn... AND IT IS NOT. It depends on the storyline for the anime.

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Anyways, I hope they make more tsukihime anime. And scarier this time.

Im looking foward for that too. But I like it better if it will show the other plots too like the Tohno side story. Or even more detail to the story. I didnt understood some of parts until I read the encyclopedia from Moonlit World. I like to see a Melty Blood anime too. MB is has more fighting than Tsukihime. Anywayz Ill just patiently wait for the Fate anime.


I would love that to but It will all still be sencored in someway or the other. All anime in the U.S. is. THere is one scene on Tsukihime where Inui says Hell in the anime and they change it((That is why I got the Series Imported from Japan and watched it comparing the first four episodes- which are the only ones that I own that Geneon brought out. I am saving up to buy the boxset that they release^^)). All anime that they say is "Unscencored", IS actually scencored in some way. They always change words around.

I actually have been writing my own little story and trying to get the TYPE-MOON e-mail for the anime on wanting them to have one explain more on Arcueid's life, like when she met Roa and killed Ciel when she was Roa((Just my imagination)). I have been wanting to save money and fly to Japan and give them my idea((Adding alittle more extra things in it to make it a longer anime but not kill the original plot. ((Also on another Anime that I have been creating...^_^
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Unread postby Dectilon » December 4th, 2005, 11:10 pm

Man, would that be a wasted trip :D

Of course I'm not sure how they work, but isn't there some kind of craparound about "unsolicited material". Kinda like, if you're not working for them, you can't give ideas.

If I ever went there I'd try to get a job as a proofreader. Ya know, for when they attempt english :D

So that bloodsucking scene sickened you, huh? Well, it's a good start. Personally I love the atmosphere of Tsukihime (not that I would like to live in that world, but...) and I think the anime is a little too light on it. I mean, there is of course the masacre at the hotel, but I feel it needs more. More fear, more despair. A slightly more Love-craftian approach, like, there is no real escape and no real winning. Something like that :P
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Unread postby Message » December 5th, 2005, 6:24 pm

Stick to the topic, people... :roll:

To clear things up: I am not talking about censoring everything which might disgust people. Tsukihime is disgusting in various ways, but taking that out would take away far too much from what Tsukihime really is. I am only talking about pornography. Stuff that Tsukihime is only partially and, I believe, can be taken out without taking out too much of the essence. Romance, abuse and even sex are one thing. Depicting people screwing each other is quite another.

But of course a full non-disgusting patch might be wanted by some people, so I encourage anyone to try and create something like that. :-)
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Unread postby Arcueid_Brunestud's_Lover » December 6th, 2005, 5:23 am

Now that would just suck peanuts :P ...

So that bloodsucking scene sickened you, huh?


It had suprised me when I was watching it and did not expect it to happen, duh^^ :)

Man, would that be a wasted trip

Of course I'm not sure how they work, but isn't there some kind of craparound about "unsolicited material". Kinda like, if you're not working for them, you can't give ideas.


Meh... It is just a dream.... That I would like to see happen... Stop putting me down :evil: :twisted: :D :lol: :P :lol:
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Unread postby TheXev » December 10th, 2005, 10:45 am

Arcueid_Brunestud's_Lover wrote:That is true... In the Anime I found the Akiha sucking blood from Kohaku scene to be disturbing and sicken me. But editing the game would just kill the purpose for it in being created. Part of the sidestories with Hisui is that she is always being rape by Akiha's father. They did a good job in taking it all out on the anime, but it hardly explains there stories and what Akiha and her family really are( And that just pissed me off).

Which brings up at least one interesting situation.. how to censor the screen in the game (just take a screen cap of the anime and paste it in? lol)
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