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Unread postby Dectilon » December 10th, 2005, 6:00 pm

No! I'll keep doing it until you change your nick :)
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That reminds me. Will the patch not be released until every minor error is corrected? 'Cause I mean, most translators even release like, 60% done patches and the like. I'm sure that there are some people who prefer a rougher translation quicker and some that are prepared to wait longer. Those who want the prefected translation can just... not dl until it's really done while the impatient can get it before. I dunno if it would add a lot of work (in which case, forget what I just wrote), but if not, maybe you should take it into consideration.

PS: I might have missed some previous post about this. If so, plz don't send trained killer-salamanders to my house.
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Unread postby Message » December 11th, 2005, 9:22 am

TheXev wrote:just take a screen cap of the anime and paste it in? lol

For those interested: Shingetsutan Tsukihime episode 8, [url=http://home.student.utwente.nl/m.s.groen/Files/Tsukihime%20Ep.8%20TI%2012.28.jpg]time index 12:28[/url] and [url=http://home.student.utwente.nl/m.s.groen/Files/Tsukihime%20Ep.8%20TI%2012.30.jpg]time index 12:30[/url]. I say it doesn't match at all. :roll:

Two minutes of PSPing can go a long way, too: Non-ero Akiha biting Kohaku.
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Unread postby horrorz » December 11th, 2005, 4:52 pm

Hello, I'm still new in this forum and it's my first post. :oops: I have played Tsukihime for almost a year now and i'm waiting anxiously for the translation to be completed. I'll feel very disappointed if the translation patch turn out to be censored and sure many other fans will also do.
IMHO, if you by any means censor the part of the game, even if it is a minor loss, you still don't get to see the whole story. Every part of the game helps to make the game whole. And personally, i don't feel disturbed by the H-scene in Tsukihime. Don't get me wrong, i didn't blame you for wanting to create a censorship patch. But as there are many Tsukihime fans who'll want to see an edited version, i'm sure there are also as many fans who'll like to see that Tsukihime remains in its original form. I'm one of them. So by any means, if in the end you still create a patch for an edited version of Tsukihime, i really hope that it will be distributed separately from the translation patch, so that the fans will have the option to choose whether they want the game to be censored or not.
It's just a suggestion, but if you really don't want to see the H-pictures you could just give a black screen censorship (kinda like the one in Nocturnal Illusions). Again, this should be optional for the fans. :wink:
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Unread postby Dectilon » December 11th, 2005, 5:18 pm

I don't think they meant the translation and cencorship to be in the same patch
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Unread postby Message » December 11th, 2005, 5:48 pm

horrorz wrote:I really hope that it will be distributed separately from the translation patch.

Don't worry, that is exactly what we're going to do. I don't think anyone here would even consider only releasing a censored version. :-)
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Unread postby Arcueid_Brunestud's_Lover » December 15th, 2005, 6:32 am

horrorz wrote:I'll feel very disappointed if the translation patch turn out to be censored and sure many other fans will also do.
IMHO, if you by any means censor the part of the game, even if it is a minor loss, you still don't get to see the whole story. Every part of the game helps to make the game whole.




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Unread postby Jenia » April 6th, 2006, 9:49 am

In my opinion the best thing to do would be to create a patch in which you can choose how much of the "disgusting" content should be very blurred/replaced by black screens with text only, with the options from none to a whole lot.
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Unread postby Message » April 6th, 2006, 7:57 pm

That's an interesting idea, but it would require a huge amount of work to implement. More importantly, it would make story flow almost impossible to maintain. Just skipping scenes is not an option, as the player would notice quite clearly that something's missing.
Most probably there will be only one non-ero version, namely the game with all erotic scenes circumvented. For this the h-scenes will not be skipped, they will be written around.
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Unread postby Hyperbeast » April 18th, 2006, 6:34 am

Arcueid_Brunestud's_Lover wrote:I am saving up to buy the boxset that they release^^)).


Heh, I bought the box set here... But I got kinda ripped off because at the time I bought it only the first DVD was out here so it only came with the first DVD >.>
But hey, one anime DVD is alot more than one would usually find in Perth.

Also a funny note is that the DVD is rated PG, *Parental Guidance, but still anyone can watch, in case other countries don't have the PG rating* which is kinda stupid, seeing as I don't think many parents would want their kids seeing Arcueid slice & diced, or the various people butchered by Nero/Nrvnsqr.


As for the censorship, I personally hope it doesn't get censored. Yeah, ok, I do enjoy hentai, but still, if they were to remove the sex scenes, it would be somewhat hard to write the story around. I'm not all that familiar with the story of the game, but I'm guessing censoring it would be like taking out the sex scenes from Divi-Dead. I really don't think it would work.
So for me, hell yeah, bring on the gore, bring on the disturbing scenes, and bring on the hentai! :D
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Unread postby TheXev » April 20th, 2006, 12:50 pm

Message wrote:That's an interesting idea, but it would require a huge amount of work to implement. More importantly, it would make story flow almost impossible to maintain. Just skipping scenes is not an option, as the player would notice quite clearly that something's missing.
Most probably there will be only one non-ero version, namely the game with all erotic scenes circumvented. For this the h-scenes will not be skipped, they will be written around.
Actually, this wouldn?t be that difficult. With some basic nscripter commands and additional image tags in said scenes, this could be done. Actually, that?s not a bad idea at all really. I think I could figure out enough nscripter syntax to make it happen.

As for the rest of you who failed to read the entire thread before commenting, this is a warning that if this becomes a habit, you will be banned from this forum. If you would read, you would understand that this censored patch is an after thought and will not be the only patch released. I?m in charge of this forum and I am not going to put up with users who do not spend the time to read the entire content of a given thread before posting their thoughts on it. Only people of mature mind and age should be on this forum, and not behaving in a mature manner may suggest that you are under the age of 18 and will lead to your immediate banning.

I believe reading the content of a thread before commenting is mature behavior, an I beg anyone else to disagree with this statement.
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Unread postby Gunsheep » April 25th, 2006, 8:19 am

Sorry for having been rude.
First of all,I think this patch shall not delay the English patch as all we here are thirsty for a fully translated Tsukihime and only a few wants a fullaged one.Only when the first vision comes out should the non-hentai patch be worked on.This is a precondition that all we have agreed,and thus this patch would hurt nobody 'course those who needn't it can simply get the English patch ASAP and remain it unfixed.So I have no reasons to object the he patch but yet,I have got something to consider so that we can do better.
So far as I know,the world of Tsukihime is based on blood and sex.This would make the patch job difficult for none technical reasons.Tech problems are easy to handle with.The romantic scenes with Arc and Ciel and Akiha can be passed by a black screen,BUT,when it comes to Hisui and Kohaku routes,we can hardly bypass the abusage of Kohaku or I suppose few would be clear what the story is talking about.That's it.Nor can we when it comes to gore which is also unwelcomed by those who want a non-hentai patch.When we set off to cut the restricted parts away,we'd better think twice how we could cut them keeping the whole Tsukihime lively and fresh.You may say that you can rewrite it,however you rewrite,I doubt how well it would keep with the original style of Tsukihime.We translators ain't supposed to take creator's job.We ain't the original writer however we write,neither can we redraw a clean vision of the abandoned CGs.In a word,CAN we cut away something adult while not letting Tsukihime into a tastless novel like its anime?HOW?That's what I'm worring about.
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Unread postby Message » April 26th, 2006, 5:52 am

Gunsheep: I think that if you had payed attention to what was said previously in this thread (which, as a matter of fact, Xev just asked of you and everyone else one post ago), you would know that your arguments do not at all imply that a non-ero Tsukihime cannot be created.

Also, please edit your post as soon as possible and ROT13 all the spoilers.
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Unread postby Gunsheep » April 26th, 2006, 12:16 pm

Sorry.One place has one rule,which I'll obey.My first post has just been edited.
Having read through the replies above,I found what most people concerned is technical difficulties.I'm not a programmer,but I think technic is nothing to worry about.But to my concern,the anime Tsukihime became bullshit when the confident director made changes,and FATE is becoming.I had acquired some courses in translating and know the most challenging work when translating is not to translate itself but to ensure the translated text of the same literate value with the original one.When certain parts are deleted,it gets even harder to keep the quality.As I said above,an extra patch won't hurt anyone as long as the schedule is properly set,but as Tsukihime fans no one is willing to see or even hear of a spoiled Tsukihime especially after such long diligent working or hopeful waiting.So,sure you are ready and able to make an operation to the story?Still,if you have made up your mind,may God bless you. :D
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Unread postby Message » April 26th, 2006, 9:37 pm

Again I say that your concerns have already been addressed in previous posts. I am not working on an all-age Tsukihime, I am merely removing the pornographic content. Tsukihime is indeed based on adult themes and as such its target audience is people who are not offended by such themes. This does however not mean that everyone who wants to play Tsukihime would also want to see porno on his/her computer screen.
If you are still having trouble with visualizing this concept, here's all I have changed in the Akiha route:
  • I skip Akiha's lovescene in s374, and move her request to Shiki to the dialogue beforehand. Most probably the lovescene will be implied, but not detailed.
  • I change four lines in s316 to change the erotic description of Akiha licking Shiki's wound into a non-erotic equivalent.
  • I do something (undetermined at this point) to s361 to make the Akiha/Kohaku biting scene less sexually explicit. I can photoshop the nipples out, I can skip the image or I can try to get/make an otherwise censored image or replacement CG.
Now Akiha happens to be a very simple route to censor and Kohaku/Hisui will require some more work, but you might be suprised to see how much some slight rephrasing, even of single words, can do to make a passage much less sexually explicit without losing its meaning and quality.

Gunsheep wrote:Only when the first vision comes out should the non-hentai patch be worked on.This is a precondition that all we have agreed[...]

Actually, that is new to me. Although TheXev and chendo do not want to delay the regular patch for the non-ero one, 'we all' have in no way agreed on anything regarding this matter. In fact I will finish non-ero before spending time on beta2, so I am hoping and expecting to be able to finish in time for a simultaneous release. This is however only my personal view on the situation as this has not yet in detail been discussed in the group as a whole.
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Unread postby Gunsheep » April 26th, 2006, 11:23 pm

Talked about?Oops,I may have skipped it somewhere.
Since you are so confident,then goodluck.I'm grateful for all your selfless work on translating Tsukihime into a language that I can understand despite I still want to see the full vision earlier.Anyhow,It's you who are working volunteerly and thus we spongers have no rights to complain. :D When the non-ero vision completed,I'm gonna download and take a look at it.Waiting.
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